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Any guesses? - Jerry Huelsbeck - 11-09-2005

Hi Ron and crew.
Any idea what this is? My guess is a portable shadow meter? Some sort of test gear?

http://cgi.ebay.com/6576421754

- Ron Ramirez - 11-09-2005

Aw, geez, and I was watching that item too... Icon_smile

This is what it is:

[Image: http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k420/mrphilco/Phorum%20Stuff/012.jpg]

As illustrated in Philco's 1935 parts catalog.

- Jerry Huelsbeck - 11-10-2005

Thanks Ron, Thats what I was guessing, ...would make a neat collectable for the Philco Bench. Dont worry, I'm not planning on bidding on it and I wont tell anyone else about it
8) .

- Chuck Schwark - 11-10-2005

I believe that 012 uses the older "long box" style Shadow Meter and it won't work in all Shadow models, if someone wanted to used the guts to replace a defective meter in a radio.

- Ron Ramirez - 11-10-2005

I would hope someone would not cannibalize the 012 just to get the shadow meter. Philco parts chassis are on eBay fairly often, including those with shadow meters. I thought the entire unit intact would make a neat display, or could even be made functional again. Now that would be cool.

- Ron Ramirez - 11-12-2005

So much for that one, D**n the luck... Icon_sad

EDIT: Hey, cool, my word censor works! Icon_smile

- Guest - 11-13-2005

Hi Ron,

I was directed to your forum from the ARF, where I posted a query on this item.

Sorry about the auction, my max on that was less than I bid for an Amphenol eye tube kit. I was surprised to see you sniped in on it too.

Any info or photos of this you guys want, just let me know. For sure, I will not be canibalizing it.

[Image: http://izzyweird.com/images/eyes1.jpg]
Izzy

- Chuck Schwark - 11-13-2005

Izzy,

Restored, that is a nice alignment meter. A "visual" AC ouput meter. You hang it on the output tube and watch for the audio peaks when aligning the compensators. You connect it across the plate and cathode of the audio out tube or to both plates of a P-P set.

Was introduced early 30s, I believe. Last offered in Philco Parts Catalogue in 1937.

- Guest - 11-13-2005

Hello Chuck,

An AC meter? Does it have an internal rectifier?

I thought it might be a tuning meter for substitution or alignment purposes.

It will be very interesting to see this thing.

Although not made by Philco, here is another somewhat related item I just picked up. The resistance line cord is "toast" so it can't be plugged in.
http://cgi.ebay.com/6570830906

In this case I'm considering modifying it with an internal transformer so that it actually works and is safe to use. But then it won't be original anymore.


Thanks,
Izzy

- Ron Ramirez - 11-13-2005

I didn't see the 012 listed in any of the older Philco parts catalogs I have; the first one I saw it in was the 1935 catalog (from which the ad above was taken...notice it mentions "Something new for the serviceman..." (emphasis mine). I don't think it was on the market very long (1934-35 to 1937). I've never seen one of these before, only the ad in the '35 catalog.

Izzy, I'll get with you later on photos...

- Chuck Schwark - 11-13-2005

Izzy Weird Wrote:Hello Chuck,

An AC meter? Does it have an internal rectifier?

I thought it might be a tuning meter for substitution or alignment purposes.

It will be very interesting to see this thing.

Although not made by Philco, here is another somewhat related item I just picked up. The resistance line cord is "toast" so it can't be plugged in.
http://cgi.ebay.com/6570830906

In this case I'm considering modifying it with an internal transformer so that it actually works and is safe to use. But then it won't be original anymore.

Unfortunately, I have no schematic, so when you get it you'll have to generate one for us. Icon_smile

Can't be a whole lotta circuitry in there....

- Chuck Schwark - 11-13-2005

mrphilco Wrote:I didn't see the 012 listed in any of the older Philco parts catalogs I have; ...

Ron,

I have an earlier than 1935 Dealer 32-page parts catalog. Probably 1933 or 34. They mention the new RMS plans.

Here's the cover and exerpt from page 24 on the Model 012.


[Image: http://www.philcorepairbench.com/images/radiolekcover.jpg] [Image: http://www.philcorepairbench.com/images/radiolekpage24.jpg]

- Ron Ramirez - 11-13-2005

Well, DUH! Icon_redface I have that catalog too, but forgot to look in it as it is not stored in the three-ring binder with most of the others I have.

Same ad copy as in the 1935 catalog - not surprising.

I have 1932, 33, 34, 35, 37, 38, 41 and 46 catalogs along with one from the mid-fifties somewhere.

- Guest - 11-13-2005

Chuck wrote:
Quote:"Unfortunately, I have no schematic, so when you get it you'll have to generate one for us."

Will do.
Izzy

- Guest - 11-20-2005

Here's a schematic. The diode polarity is a guess, it may be shorted, looks like an oxide meter rectifier. The D batteries are soldered in and may be very old. I'll try to post some photos soon, maybe next weekend.

[Image: http://izzyweird.com/temp/philco012meter.gif]