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42-380 escutcheon related - gfleduc - 03-03-2014

Hello All,

Joining the Phorum due to dad giving me a 42-380. It is a delight for me; my grandfather bought it new!

I have a couple of initial questions if someone can advise:

1) The first thing I did was purchase a repro escutcheon. The original was severely distorted & broken.

In my zest I removed the brass plate for the dial labels & the angled cardboard piece that goes on the backside of the escutcheon.

Problem 1) - I did not note if the cardboard angle faces up or faces down. I installed it on the upside & the escutcheon doesn't seem to want to install. Before I fatigue the brass again to flip it around I wanted to ask what is the proper position for the cardboard piece.
   
Note: Picture with correct installation added after original posting.

2) Second question - Push button copper "spring". Unlike the other buttons the left end button does not have the rectangular spring. Is that proper?

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TIA for you time

Gary

RE: 42-380 escutcheon related - Eric T - 03-04-2014

1) Mine does not have a cardboard piece on the backside of the escutcheon, so I 'm afraid I can't help you there. Perhaps you can post some pictures of it.

2) I believe this is right. Mine also did not have the copper spring on the On/Off button, which is the one on the left.

RE: 42-380 escutcheon related - Ron Ramirez - 03-04-2014

The copper springs are designed to block light from the little tabs above each pushbutton *except* for the button that is pushed in. Notice when you push the button for the AM band, the "B'D'CST" tab lights up above that button.

When you push the OFF button, this turns the set off, so it cannot be illuminated; therefore, no copper spring is needed for this button.

RE: 42-380 escutcheon related - gfleduc - 03-06-2014

Hi Eric I will post a picture - Later I can give you details - you can fabricate one.
I have not gotten the picture posting working - I can send to you directly if you wish

Hi Ron - thank-you for the button detail - glad to know a piece is not missing - today on ebay I saw someone has a 42-380 chassis for sale; that one had no copper spring on the left end - so your note really nails it for me. Thanks again

Gary
gfleduc@msn.com

RE: 42-380 escutcheon related - gfleduc - 03-24-2014

Posting this for sharing / reference purposes:
I am missing 3 of the orginal escutcheon mount screws; specification: Phillips oval head - #3 x 3/8", Wood Screws, BRASS
Ref: over all length .405". I did a ton of searching on the internet and could not find any. I found one vendor who has nickel screws; Blacksmith Bolt & Rivet Supply. I painted those with brass paint it was a great match.
By the way - by mistake I ordered 40 screws if someone needs any...

RE: 42-380 escutcheon related - gfleduc - 04-26-2014

Question- On the back of the escutcheon, above the push buttons, trapped by a small angled metail detail is a sheet of plastic ~ 5/8" wide x 7-1/4" long. When new is this item translucent or clear?

RE: 42-380 escutcheon related - gfleduc - 04-28-2014

Using a reproduction escutcheon one has to transfer or replace the white vellum paper and angled metal piece on the back. When doing mine, I found one of the four drive screws was missing.
The drive screws are tiny ~ 1/16” dia x 3/16” long.

Replacement screws can be purchased @ SpencerAircraft.com
P/N MS21318-2 or alt part # AN535-00-3

I have now have extras if you need one.
FYI – install hole = .052 diameter, that is a #55 drill


   

RE: 42-380 escutcheon related - spiderdrummer24 - 08-11-2016

(04-28-2014, 10:42 PM)gfleduc Wrote:  Using a reproduction escutcheon one has to transfer or replace the white vellum paper and angled metal piece on the back.   When doing mine, I found one of the four drive screws was missing.
The drive screws are tiny ~ 1/16” dia x 3/16” long.

Replacement screws can be purchased @ SpencerAircraft.com
P/N  MS21318-2 or alt part # AN535-00-3

I have now have extras if you need one.
FYI – install hole = .052 diameter, that is a #55 drill

Mine is missing one of the 4 screws as well. I just got the 4 new screws. However I'm wondering how do you get the old screws out without damaging it? And do you just hammer in the new ones after you drill the hole?

RE: 42-380 escutcheon related - Radioroslyn - 08-12-2016

I have a 41-300 that was missing all of the escutcheon screw. I grabbed a sack of Hillman #490114 at Lowes. They are #2's 3/8" long. Trying to match the originals may be a bit difficult with out getting them from another set. They could use a spot of paint as they are too bright.

RE: 42-380 escutcheon related - klondike98 - 08-12-2016

(08-11-2016, 10:51 PM)spiderdrummer24 Wrote:   do you just hammer in the new ones after you drill the hole?

Welcome to the Phorum!
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no hammer.... screws screw in  Icon_biggrin

RE: 42-380 escutcheon related - spiderdrummer24 - 08-14-2016

(08-12-2016, 02:39 PM)klondike98 Wrote:  
(08-11-2016, 10:51 PM)spiderdrummer24 Wrote:   do you just hammer in the new ones after you drill the hole?

Welcome to the Phorum!
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no hammer.... screws screw in  Icon_biggrin
Ok but how do you unscrew them and screw them in? They have no groove

RE: 42-380 escutcheon related - klondike98 - 08-15-2016

hmmm....now you have me stumped  Icon_question

RE: 42-380 escutcheon related - Warren - 08-15-2016

(08-14-2016, 11:06 PM)spiderdrummer24 Wrote:  
(08-12-2016, 02:39 PM)klondike98 Wrote:  
(08-11-2016, 10:51 PM)spiderdrummer24 Wrote:   do you just hammer in the new ones after you drill the hole?

Welcome to the Phorum!
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no hammer.... screws screw in  Icon_biggrin
Ok but how do you unscrew them and screw them in? They have no groove

 Very carefully  Icon_crazy   actually you might be right about tapping them.in with a hammer. I have seen screws like that before. Does it have a head that looks like a round nail haad and are the "threads" different than it's screws? They kind of go up the screw instead of around aND around? If so then they need to be tapped in carefully.

RE: 42-380 escutcheon related - Radioroslyn - 08-15-2016

I suppose if you did break off a brass tab you could solder a new piece of brass in it's place ( fab a new tab). Hobby shops carry small pieces of sheet brass in a number thicknesses.

RE: 42-380 escutcheon related - sam - 08-15-2016

Very carefully use a sharp pick. lift up then use pliers and twist off