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RE: Restoring a Model 19 Code 126 - markmokris - 03-11-2015

I knew Kaplan was wrong and I went in to edit the post but it didn't take Icon_biggrin .

Where is best article with instructions for rewinding the oscillator coil for a Model 19 /89? I checked tonight, and my tickler coil is definitely open. Can't seem to find THE instructions. Was it a Rider tip or something?

Thanks again.

Mark

RE: Restoring a Model 19 Code 126 - morzh - 03-11-2015

The best way to me is: (I rewind coils this way):

1. Make a sketch. Measure the length of the winding along the bobbin, position relative to other windings. Note the way the wire goes to the first pin (choose one to be the first pin, does not matter), with the orientation of the coil noted (say, on the sketch pins to the left, top to the right), then start unwinding the coil, counting turns. When finishing the last turn, note the direction of winding, put it on the sketch.
Measure or estimate the wire gauge. If litz is used for the wire, use litz, not a single wire, it matters.

2. Connect your wire to the pin that you want to start winding from. Do not solder, just wrap the wire around it. Wind the section, as close to the original as posible: wire gauge if many turns and the coil is used in a resonant tank (if two-three turns, like in RF non-resonant transformers, it is not important as much as long as it fits, in resonant coils, lie RF winding or antenna coils that connect to tuning caps it is important), length of winding (same criteria as above), deinitely direction of winding and connection to pins.
Keeping the winding taut, thread the wire and wrap around the other pin.
Secure the winding with whatever used for that (I use fabric glue).

It takes 20 minutes tops.

3. Unwind the ends from the pins, clean and solder.

RE: Restoring a Model 19 Code 126 - markmokris - 03-12-2015

Thanks for those tips!

I am waiting for magnetic wire to come in the mail, and I need to remove the coil. I will let you know how it turns out.

Mark

RE: Restoring a Model 19 Code 126 - markmokris - 03-14-2015

Hey guys I haven't worked with thin enameled wire since my Fun With Electronics Kit 50 years ago. How do you remove the enamel off the ends? Flat surface and the edge of a razor blade?

Any better technique?

Mark

RE: Restoring a Model 19 Code 126 - markmokris - 03-14-2015

(03-14-2015, 08:58 AM)markmokris Wrote:  Hey guys I haven't worked with thin enameled wire since my Fun With Electronics Kit 50 years ago.  How do you remove the enamel off the ends?  Flat surface and the edge of a razor blade?

Any better technique?

Mark

Now that I think about I should probably use a fine sandpaper on the ends?

Mark

RE: Restoring a Model 19 Code 126 - morzh - 03-14-2015

an exacto knife, held blade towards yoursel and moved away from youself or fine sandpaper, or quick run through the lighted match and then wipe with alcohol work

Sand paper is probably the easiest. Very fine one.

RE: Restoring a Model 19 Code 126 - Steve Davis - 03-14-2015

Mark, some magnet wire has an insulation with a low enough melting point that you can just wrap the terminal and solder it with the insulation on. However, some wire has a higher temp insulation and would have to be stripped.

Steve

RE: Restoring a Model 19 Code 126 - morzh - 03-14-2015

I tried that with mine...did not work. But I did see a wire like this.

RE: Restoring a Model 19 Code 126 - Radioroslyn - 03-14-2015

A few years ago I got the magnet wire from a motor rewind service. That stuff had the toughest coating on it, I think it was polyurethane. Have to use a shape knife to clean it off. I think the lacquer covered wire that the solder will burn off. Used that tough stuff to wind up some new coils for my old National SW-3.
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Terry N3GTE

RE: Restoring a Model 19 Code 126 - markmokris - 03-15-2015

The good news is I tested the shadow meter with a 9 V battery and it works great! It deflects perfectly.

The bad news is that I accidently pulled the grid cap off the 75 tube. I'm need to be more careful with those.

Is there a substitute for the 75? I am having trouble finding one. Meanwhile I am going to try to repair it.

Mark K8KZ

RE: Restoring a Model 19 Code 126 - Radioroslyn - 03-15-2015

Well an 85 will work but has a bit more gain. Did the grid wire break off at the glass? If not just solder back on.
Terry

RE: Restoring a Model 19 Code 126 - morzh - 03-15-2015

Take the grid cap.
While holding it with long thin needlnose pliers, Heat the solder on top well so it melts, and shake it once vigorously over your garbage can.
See if the small hole in the midde appeared.

If it did, look at the wire coming out of the tube's center, if the glass is intact around it and if it is straight.
Do not try to straighten it unless really mushed. It is stiff and when you place the cap back it should protrude through that hole just a little. If it does appear in the hole but does not go through, heat the cap a little so it does let the wire through.

Then using rosin core solder flood the top of the cap, making sure th vwire wets well.

RE: Restoring a Model 19 Code 126 - markmokris - 03-17-2015

Onto rewinding the tickler coil.  It seems to be the only coil that is open in the entire radio.  I have removed the oscillator coil, and here are some pictures.

   

   


Pins 1 and 2 (moving clockwise from the bottom view) are the connections to the tickler coil.  It looks like the existing wires go inside the form and out through some holes that I cannot see currently.  They are there somewhere right?

The fact that the primary of this assembly is an internal and separate coil leaves little room to fish those wires through, but that is what I need to do when I rewind it, correct?  I don't think I want to fool with removing the internal coil.

I am thinking of melting the debris (wax?) away from the existing tickler with a hair dryer.  Sound like a good plan?  Then remove the wire, count the turns, etc?  None of this looks particularly easy, so any advice is most appreciated!  I will bake the coil for 30 minutes at 200 degrees before I rewind.

I have 34, 36, and 38 gauge wire.  Can I go with the 34 (the thickest)?

Thanks,

Mark

RE: Restoring a Model 19 Code 126 - Radioroslyn - 03-17-2015

When you  get the feedback winding off you'll see that under the winding is a strip of celluloid. That strip has a couple of slits in it that's what the wire is looped under to secure it. Wire ga is not very critical the 34ga is fine # of turns are.
Terry

RE: Restoring a Model 19 Code 126 - markmokris - 03-17-2015

I want to be sure about this process of baking the coil.

I am going to remove the old ticker portion, then bake the coil. In other words I will be baking it with both the original primary and secondary windings intact.

That is okay, right?

The primary and secondary are not open. I'd prefer not to rewind them. So it is okay to bake them, right?

Thanks,

Mark