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RE: Philco 570 Gramps Clock - morzh - 04-11-2020
Speaking of dials.... ine seems to be fastened to the wooden backing by one metal insert clip, kinda like those used to tack cardboard backs in backelite radios. What do we call them and where do I get them?
RE: Philco 570 Gramps Clock - Eliot Ness - 04-12-2020
Those little buggers are hard to find these days, but Renovated Radios is now making some:
http://www.renovatedradios.com/product.php?product=433
RE: Philco 570 Gramps Clock - morzh - 04-12-2020
John
Exactly. Thanks. Do you know if they also fit to tack the dial?
RE: Philco 570 Gramps Clock - Eliot Ness - 04-12-2020
Quote:Do you know if they also fit to tack the dial?I'm not sure Mike, I've never taken my clock apart. I think Ron has had his apart so maybe he'll see this and chime in.
RE: Philco 570 Gramps Clock - morzh - 04-12-2020
John
Thanks, yes, the split pin.
Here's something that might work.
https://www.amazon.com/YEJI-200pcs-Fastener-Crafts-Scrapbooking/dp/B0772RJNP4/ref=sr_1_7?dchild=1&keywords=Split+pins&qid=1586710759&s=arts-crafts&sr=1-7
https://www.amazon.com/500-Pieces-Mini-Brads-Scrapbooking/dp/B0713PHRHH/ref=sr_1_9?dchild=1&keywords=Split+pins&qid=1586710999&s=arts-crafts&sr=1-9
"Split pin" is the key word.
While for backs what Renovated makes is what I would buy, these are out of sight and will work as well.
I just have to make sure the go through the wood. The RR ones rely on tight fit but these need to go through and split.
RE: Philco 570 Gramps Clock - RodB - 04-12-2020
You might also want to look at "split rivets". The brass ones that Zenith uses on the leather handle bracket of their portables. They usually have a round head.
Rod
RE: Philco 570 Gramps Clock - morzh - 04-12-2020
Rod
No those won't do.
Being essentially the same type I just showed, they are made especially hard so when split and curled, they could withstand the weight of a fairly heavy radio withour uncurling.
I went through it with some of my portable WaveMagnets a year ago.
Because of this working with thin vulnerable sheet of metal like the dial here, the effort might damage it.
I think a soft one is needed here.
RE: Philco 570 Gramps Clock - RodB - 04-12-2020
I need some of the t-clips myself. There's always one or two missing from the back of a radio.
RE: Philco 570 Gramps Clock - Ron Ramirez - 04-12-2020
Eliot Ness Wrote:I think Ron has had his apart so maybe he'll see this and chime in.
Well, actually, I have not taken the clock apart that is in my model 52 GFC either, so I can't comment on how it all fits together.
Mike, please let us know how things work out if you have that motor repaired. Maybe we all might send our non-working original motors to him if he does good work.
RE: Philco 570 Gramps Clock - morzh - 04-12-2020
Ron
I will.
PS. It still seems the 51/52 has a different movement with different way of being held in place so it wouldn't help me much, so no need to take yours apart for now.
PPS. I measured the diameter of my holes; it seems the RR clips should fit nicely, the holes being 5/32", same as what is stated for the clips.
PPPS. I think this is what I need.
https://www.amazon.com/Hard-Find-Fastener-014973224950-Piece-90/dp/B00L1ITDR6?ref_=s9_apbd_obs_hd_bw_b16r7V&pf_rd_r=6QHGGKZYWPYB0W0HF4W6&pf_rd_p=ba8c4096-e921-5f5d-9b51-e493893022c1&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-10&pf_rd_t=BROWSE&pf_rd_i=16410501&th=1
A split rivet, D=5/32" , L = 1/4".
Either this or 5/16" long.
RE: Philco 570 Gramps Clock - Ron Ramirez - 04-13-2020
Remember, Mike, mine is a grandfather clock, not a tabletop Colonial Clock. It has a second hand and is identical in every way with the 70 grandfather clock save for the radio chassis and speaker.
RE: Philco 570 Gramps Clock - Eliot Ness - 04-13-2020
Ron, Mike's is the grandfather clock also, unless somewhere in this thread he switched radios, in that case I'm
I thought at one time I read where you replaced the clock movement in yours with a modern one, but I must have radios confused.... blame it on the virus!
RE: Philco 570 Gramps Clock - morzh - 04-13-2020
Ron
I thought that 51/52 or 80jr were only tabletops.
Now that I know different, yes it would be helpful to look at yours, but again, if we are going to be taking apart a perfectly good radio without real need, then maybe we shouldn't.
John,
No, no switcheroos have been pulled so far
Still dealing with 570 GFC.
Ordered the split rivets yesterday.
RE: Philco 570 Gramps Clock - Ron Ramirez - 04-13-2020
John (Eliot) - yes, I know
Back when I had my 80 Colonial Clock, its original motor had been replaced with a newer AC motor with a second hand. I had it apart so a friend could shorten the length of the hand adjustment shaft. It did not protrude from the back, but from the bottom, and it was interfering with the dial. This was several years ago.
Mike - the Philco 52 grandfather clock is very rare, but I have one.
I'm only aware of two or three in existence. One was in a collection on the Illinois side of St. Louis at one time, and mine came from the St. Louis area (Missouri side - not the same radio). I recall a third but do not remember where it was located.
RE: Philco 570 Gramps Clock - Mike L - 04-14-2020
John,
The photo of the back of your clock looks exactly the same as mine in my 570, but mine does not have a second hand. To date I have not been able to find any information on the clock motor itself.