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Philco Station setter info - gary rabbitt - 05-18-2008

Hi guys,
I won that Philco Station Setter that was on Ebay a few days ago.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320248473969&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=011

It didn't have the wood box as on some variations of this , or the label plate for it. I have seen photos of this unit in a small search.
Is there any schematic info on that unit? It might have something missing, I don't know as I have not received it yet.

I thougt it would be a nice addition to my collection (as they say). It should be here this coming week and will keep you informed.
Thanks in advance,
Gary.

- Ron Ramirez - 05-19-2008

Hi Gary

I have one of those also, like yours except the label on front is present on mine, and someone added a red jewel indicator lamp to the front panel. I'm not sure if I have the schematic for it, though. I will try to remember to look and see if I do...kindly remind me if I forget.

- Chuck Schwark - 05-20-2008

Used by Philco Dealers and their Service Depts. for setting up customers' new set in the home. The Dealer/Service would setup the Station Setter for the local stations and some of the receivable "biggies" and beat the Setter's preset freqs against the tuned-in stations for setting the radio's pushbuttons dead on freq.

It's bacially a test oscillator with tunable pushbutton presets.

I have the service info, although I beleive it's rather sketchy. Will look for it Gary. Probably can email a pdf - only a page or two IIRC.

Some of this era Philco service gear was poorly documented, others have detailed info. Maybe some of these test items were designed by different outside OEMs for Philco and varied in their "detailed-ness". ??

Chuck

- Ron Ramirez - 05-20-2008

Thanks Chuck.

Gary, what I have was sent to me by Chuck some time ago, so I have nothing additional to add. I have it around here also, but I honestly do not remember which backup CD I have it on at present...

- Chuck Schwark - 05-20-2008

Found my info. The schematic I have is for the Model 016 Station Setting Signal Gen. Your unit is a Model 014. I have the info on both.

To determine exactly which box you have, the 014 uses a 7Z4 and a 7A8. The earlier version 016 uses a XXD and a 7B7.

Lemme know.

Chuck

- exray - 05-20-2008

Chuck Schwark Wrote:The Dealer/Service would setup the Station Setter for the local stations and some of the receivable "biggies" and beat the Setter's preset freqs against the tuned-in stations for setting the radio's pushbuttons dead on freq.

Actually its biggest usefulness was setting the pushbuttons when stations were NOT on the air. In those days the smaller stations weren't necessarily on the air all day. This was the case in my hometown when they went off from about 2-4 PM well into the 60s (when a second station finally came to town) Icon_wink

It also enabled the serviceman to set the buttons for some nighttime stations that could not be heard during the day.

I had an RCA version. It was ac or battery operated and used a 6H6 as a rectifier. I forget was the 'business' tube was.

-Bill

- gary rabbitt - 05-20-2008

Thanks guys,
Chuck, I will let you know when it arrives which tubes are installed.

Any documentation would help.
I did see a webpage that showed an open catalog showing two of these units for sale, both Philco. I can't find the page now. I don't think it was an Ebay ad selling a catalog.

Here is one shot of another recent ebay unit, I will attempt to make the label for the front.
Thanks again guys, and I will be in touch.
Gary.
[Image: http://antiqueradios.com/gallery/d/77675-1/setter1.jpg]

- Ron Ramirez - 05-21-2008

Gary

If it would help, mine has the label just like the one you pictured above...I could remove the label from mine, scan it and e-mail to you...that way you would not be dealing with trying to make a repro from a photo that is not "dead-on" flat.

- Chuck Schwark - 05-21-2008

Gary,

That's the later version Model 014.

Just emailed you the appropriate pages from the Philco Test Equip Manual. The pages are pdf format.

Chuck

- Chuck Schwark - 05-22-2008

Gary, did you get the info??

Chuck

- gary rabbitt - 05-27-2008

Hi Chuck,

Yes, I did get the info, and replied back. Thanks so much. That info should get me on the right track, and hopefully no one has messed with the circuit. It would be good to have it working, if possible.


One mote, that photo above was from an older Ebay ad, as I have not received mine yet. It probably is the same model, I will let you all know what I have and if it is different.

Ron, if it isn't too much trouble to remove the label that would be great, and would save a lot of time recreating it. Thanks for the generous offer, take yout time whenever it is convenient for you.

Take care guys, all your help is greatly appreciated.
Gary.

- Chuck Schwark - 05-27-2008

Good. Never got your reply though....that's why I asked.
Icon_smile
Chuck

- gary rabbitt - 06-03-2008

Hi guys,
I finally received the station setter.

Looks like it had not been altered. It has installed a 7A6 rectifier (instead of the 7Z4) and the 7A8
I see the 7A6 is wired like the 7Z4 would be.

Bad news is that there is a coil missing. As you can see on the other photo of the setter, there is a square coil mounted to the box, and the two caps are connected to the center tap of it.

I am not sure what the purpose of this coil would be looking at the diagram, shown in the red box.

Hopefully this is something that can be substituted. At least I know what the physical size of this coil is.
What part of the circuit is this coil for?

Thanks for your continued help on this box, as I'd like to recap it (restuff) and get it going.

Regards,
Gary.

[Image: http://antiqueradios.com/gallery/d/77921-2/setterdiag.JPG]

[Image: http://antiqueradios.com/gallery/d/77929-1/coil.jpg]

[Image: http://antiqueradios.com/gallery/d/77927-1/setter1_001.JPG]

[Image: http://antiqueradios.com/gallery/d/77925-1/setter2_001.JPG]

- Chuck Schwark - 06-03-2008

I believe that part of the circuit is the audio osc for modulation. That tube is doing double-duty.

- gary rabbitt - 06-04-2008

Thanks Chuck,
So, I am thinking that I could still use this but without modulation? I see the oscillator section is fed to the tube, and the other grids have audio inserted?

I wonder what I could sub in there for the coil. Maybe a trial and error thing? Wonder about the secondary of a small center tapped power trans?

I am going to go ahead and do the restufff of the caps, amd maybe power it up in the next few days.

Thanks,
Gary.