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40-180 veneer and dial question - Capt. Apparatus - 10-12-2015

Hi everyone, I recently picked up a 40-180 off craigslist for a whopping $30 and the condition is pretty good overall (rust free chassis, supple rubber)  but the cabinet's veneer is going to need a couple of little patches. Not really being much of a cabinet or wood guy I'm not sure what I should pick up to use as a patch material for the eventual "someday" I get around to working on it.

here's a few photos of the areas in need of patching.

[Image: http://s20.postimg.org/tperoyr19/front.jpg]

[Image: http://s20.postimg.org/a6a6fls9p/side.jpg]


My second question is about the dial, I've seen flaking and paint loss before on the back painted philco slide rule dials but never this "waviness" any thoughts?
[Image: http://s20.postimg.org/92q23n7ml/dial.jpg]

Thanks in advance for your insights and advice everyone Icon_smile

RE: 40-180 veneer and dial question - mikethedruid - 10-12-2015

Congratulations, Captain, nice find. I am not a woodworking expert, so I can't be of much help on the veneer. I see you will need the buttons too, those can be bought new as reproductions. I have never seen that "wavy" situation of the dial glass. I am not sure how that could happen other than when it was actually made. You can get reproduction dials too, but they will be plastic, not glass. Best of luck to you with this project. I look forward to reading about your progress. Judging by the call letters on the buttons, I would say this set was from the Northeast, probably near Boston. Am I right ?

RE: 40-180 veneer and dial question - Capt. Apparatus - 10-12-2015

Thanks Mike, the wavy dial paint really is pretty bizarre. It almost seems like it pulled away from the glass in some areas  and wrinkled in others. And yes you're right the radio is from in town here 20 minutes just north of Boston. Icon_smile

RE: 40-180 veneer and dial question - mikethedruid - 10-13-2015

I am down in Providence. It occurs to me that your radio may have been in a place where it was in an environment where moisture condensed on the back of the glass, causing the decal to slide and separate a bit. I am not sure, but I believe they make decals to re-do these glasses. Radio-Daze has the whole dial but it is on plastic. I don't know if they sell the decal to re-do your glass yourself, but it might be worth asking. Here is the link to that dial... http://www.radiodaze.com/philco-40-150-155-180-185-190/

RE: 40-180 veneer and dial question - Capt. Apparatus - 10-14-2015

Thanks for the tips on the dial Mike, I'll probably leave it as is for now since the waviness isn't too noticeable in person. here's an overall shot for anyone interested Icon_smile

[Image: http://s20.postimg.org/nw4poefdp/40_180.jpg]

RE: 40-180 veneer and dial question - mikethedruid - 10-14-2015

um... the picture didn't take

RE: 40-180 veneer and dial question - Arran - 10-14-2015

(10-13-2015, 05:06 AM)mikethedruid Wrote:  I am down in Providence. It occurs to me that your radio may have been in a place where it was in an environment where moisture condensed on the back of the glass, causing the decal to slide and separate a bit. I am not sure, but I believe they make decals to re-do these glasses. Radio-Daze has the whole dial but it is on plastic. I don't know if they sell the decal to re-do your glass yourself, but it might be worth asking. Here is the link to that dial... http://www.radiodaze.com/philco-40-150-155-180-185-190/

Actually Radio Daze is back into making glass dials again, I was looking for one for a Canadian RCA set a friend had and when I inquired they said that they were printed on glass with some sort of new process.

http://www.radiodaze.com/dials/

Regards
Arran

RE: 40-180 veneer and dial question - Arran - 10-14-2015

(10-12-2015, 10:43 AM)Capt. Apparatus Wrote:  Hi everyone, I recently picked up a 40-180 off craigslist for a whopping $30 and the condition is pretty good overall (rust free chassis, supple rubber)  but the cabinet's veneer is going to need a couple of little patches. Not really being much of a cabinet or wood guy I'm not sure what I should pick up to use as a patch material for the eventual "someday" I get around to working on it.

here's a few photos of the areas in need of patching.
[Image: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/WZszDwE5Q17sPMFObG2KlVSZsG5ZLDMZ6sTnX-cWdO1XA72jywieZldeylGWUBHLVWJUs8akMF5pWo-dbVeXJWXcAAMFyQGgDASnCfR6glcyfbA1Naz70_y1QxSkUO98tdQuuEmfcf_jbu1rtwr5RaV337dlC5ukObT78WXuiNbjFyAa23JsbISEy5CL64YSJvrv2RFzxK6nUKwIgp0zNYaR_bF-eKqunHbI8F9fx6o7RG591o6i04Pvv38h9hMyHQ9Eu0OR-vbMkYDAXiqwLv8LrcAi4XVjYDcpaYUvArHcbmLheR2Q6ulu7LigftgjL9HrTEeHE5S1clmE-CEdHp9lIO0KSMJlK69cmUPjT6-JACIEe8u9A0mI92z7h8dH_7_GJuS78Hh6l6w_BNgZXr7n6KCn0S0Hq540QbGYlZE0zRkwfCVJPExVnxCNz_M-7hLOd5RxPxp6eLz7GK3DLCzhcGgdjy7O8PTj2-MVzRlXCDkakNisrbevWeSA06-XydvSAGUm4Yg2-Buj8Vp1kOsY2dp-yqAJZpUg12hvOuw=w709-h946-no]
[Image: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/wztKsVYXhEkrLW1pfH0eN8dt-r3XLMop3NIfSm_ulSIEofyYeqZCiSLwgqkjpxxUSDgH4_d_HEgsrA1dYikeqiELZP6orG5QEyhidp5I-fVTT4QOftIBTdiAMvDLfhfRYGipVtB2Ygux7NNT4dW1X_kkjFKGkG4sfXRPFaqhMUjn9QpKndmWw1bpGyvsZ4hhcyYJwi4lEPYasti-o9YgP6NYR6EFy9JpWNEyZP8N6k0pKRKKcKEbmQOXuF98AocgC7H6PqsY8hi3GOcAvTygtPbDBmOe3dIx2sBCtzQpo0piyYL2d6mPFqI6Qg0UXXG87qB9CiS2I93SnxWKzZVxF0UaZshKVLfDiGhgCkhy4GeuyoWdfEy2XOfgypiureeShp10E0kCo5xfXfVLy8GUpLxIsuKnrS1grh8_xCN-fir6eBi5l9CuaPbwdSf2ZG2GsGmtTOEsyQ-F5FJkKCBbLYepXJgpx5jM6o84D2uc3KyIdRpcJRXEwQ1vAt2tFH4knW2qSe8CcOnYRDl1cZnEPKhkZi6ZUy-5npKsYjAPUJg=w709-h946-no]

My second question is about the dial, I've seen flaking and paint loss before on the back painted philco slide rule dials but never this "waviness" any thoughts?
[Image: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/CMADq-4u7V7z53C6UAm_Nnsc43WFMrX6tHuLQm_moA4TwI9XFXirXiwyLsCLmkAGqYfkDWl9xjz9KvgM6BlRK4BanwGdy-I4LotTteigmbqpM4cJJB_Je2s0YqKlWAVVzF09DUFqK5YlDv2d1g2vDQh6zifTHO9ezWdbT-pyPad_NG8cBDi4c6CPlx-ZGGGIG_hNWfH_kNQDlhblkUdGtaMTGQocAtYgvlq2zv3lHRSNr3zmTQUN-mC90W8PDIr7N5Ch1QKRfLULgqaMVXEDNRUOJMZXi82tRUMw-5ipWXTtxeZ7cp97NVOqG-rFl5DIob_OU6YG82__Lt3tr6tWxYy12l9K4N_jacCn5ExXPBlZxQH0aWyOnsW7Z5t_Mr-N3_GPELoOPFc6b5eQLiSEJEyw1CLvNdJotzWUXT53MOyFiEuXTDDCtA0adk8I3EwXJg37gLQYLHSvZzF2XzJSDQ-Myw1zD8cdfJjOQbOJGXuLH3vs7mmQvsqS3UarUoue6Yl3eUkSBdCh-BKEm_Qyoe0_1XzJ4wvyuGYYIeHUnMo=w1260-h945-no]

Thanks in advance for your insights and advice everyone Icon_smile

Hi;
  The veneer on the sides of the cabinet is French Walnut veneer, plain cut I think. The veneer on the pilasters looks like it may be either Zebrano, or possibly Eucalyptus, I would check Constatine's photo gallery to compare.
If there are only a few chips out of the sides you may be able to patch them using veneer salvaged from a junker cabinet.
Regards
Arran

RE: 40-180 veneer and dial question - Capt. Apparatus - 10-15-2015

(10-14-2015, 04:51 PM)mikethedruid Wrote:  um... the picture didn't take

Whoops, sorry about that, Icon_redface Fixed all the pictures now I think.

Thanks for the info on constantine's and the veneer Arran, looking at their pictures it looks like that there are a few that might match the grain hard to say from just pictures though so I'll probably grab a few sheets Icon_smile

RE: 40-180 veneer and dial question - Arran - 10-15-2015

(10-15-2015, 12:05 AM)Capt. Apparatus Wrote:  
(10-14-2015, 04:51 PM)mikethedruid Wrote:  um... the picture didn't take

Whoops, sorry about that, Icon_redface Fixed all the pictures now I think.

Thanks for the info on constantine's and the veneer Arran, looking at their pictures it looks like that there are a few that might match the grain hard to say from just pictures though so I'll probably grab a few sheets Icon_smile

I was going to suggest using Constantine's site for identification purposes, then to go to fleabay, or elsewhere, to do the buying, depending on the dealer you can either buy small pieces or a large quantity of a given veneer.
Regards
Arran