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42-1010 - Guest - 08-31-2009

Hello,

I have just acquired a 42-1010 however it did not have a speaker in it. I was wondering if someone could tell me if I can hook a car speaker up to this to test it. The speaker harness that is still intact has 4 wires on a plug and I am not familiar with this type of plug for a speaker.

Thanks

Re: 42-1010 - Raleigh - 09-01-2009

Most of these old radios use speakers with field coils instead of permanent magnets. The field coil is part of the speaker, and is integral with the power supply, so simply hooking a modern permanent magnet speaker will not work. Unless the field coil is in the circuit, the power supply is disabled.

There is a workaround you can use to test it with a modern speaker, but I would suggest that you completely rewire and recap this set before you even plug it in. Philcos of this vintage used a lot of wire insulated with rubber that crumbles with age, leaving them vulnerable to shorts. Also, the filter caps may be dried out and shorted, which could smoke your power transformer. Any of the tubular paper capacitors could also be shorted, which could damage the power transformer and other parts. The paper capacitors are usually yellowish cylinders covered with wax.

The workaround involves wiring a power resistor of the same resistance value in place of the field coil to complete the power supply. In the schematic it is between the two filter capacitors. You might need two power resistors in series to get the same value as the field coil. You could connect it with jumper wires between the positive terminals of the two filter caps. The power resistor will get very hot. Be careful! Also, you are working with DC voltages of 300 volts or more, so be very, very careful.

You'll need to make sure you have a big enough power resistor. Ten watt resistors such as Radio Shack sells will probably not be big enough, but you could put several in series. You can calculate roughly the power resistor wattage you will need, based on the voltage drop across the field coil and the voltage dividing resistors on the schematic. If you know the resistance and the voltage drop, you can calculate the current and the power.

The formula is: (Voltage across the 1st filter cap - voltage across 2nd filter cap) divided by (Field coil resistance + the total of the voltage dividing resistors) = current in Amps. All of this information should be on the schematic. The current will probably calculate out around 100 mA or maybe a little more considering this is a 10 tube set. Current in amps squared times the resistance of the field coil = power. Current times the voltage drop is close enough approximation, and errs on the safe side.

Oops, I just pulled your schematic from Nostalgia Air, and I don't see the filter cap voltages anywhere, although the field coil and voltage divider resistances are there (parts 81 and 82.) You might be out of luck unless you just assume around 100 mA and use power resistors with plenty of margin. You might also buy the Philco service package from Chuck Schwark. Voltages might be elsewhere in the Philco service data. These packages are a very good value, and I plug them whenever possible.

Re: 42-1010 - Guest - 09-02-2009

Thank you for the response. Since a modern speaker won't work and though I am fairly proficient at replacing wirring and other things creating something isn't my cup of tea, does anyone know where I could find an original or reproduction speaker? For that matter does anyone know what the original speaker in a 42-1010 was? (i.e. make, model, size and any other pertinant info about the speaker)

Re: 42-1010 - Guest - 09-08-2009

Can anyone tell me if there is anyone that makes replica speakers?

Re: 42-1010 - Steve D - 09-08-2009

I replaced the speaker on a 42-380 with a 15" modern replacement 8 ohm speaker. I bought a 10H choke from Radio Daze and added a series resistance to make the total resistance qpprox. equal to the original field coil resistance. I mounted the choke and resistors (2 X RW67V 5W) on the speaker as the resistors only dissipated about 4W.

You could also mount the choke and resistors in the chassis if there is room. Be sure to use a universal speaker replacement that has an efficiency at least 92 db/w or there will not be enough power to drive it properly. Many modern speakers such as those available from Parts Express are made for extended fidelity and the compromise is lower efficiency. Email me and I can send you more info and a circuit diagram.

Steve D