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phonograph in 47-1227 Philco console - keith49vj3 - 11-14-2010

I've got a number of stupid questions on the phonograph in the Phico 47-1227 I'm restoring. First does this play 33 RPM records or 78 RPM records? Second I've got the motor running but when I turn it on in the manual position the arm continues to go up and down, and in the automatic mode is swings over towards the record, lowers, and immediately returns. I can't get any sound out of the cartridge but I can get my MP3 player to play through the amplifier when I connect it to the cartridge leads. Before I rebuild the cartridge I need to know how this thing is supposed to work. Anyone have some simple instructions on using the phonograph?
Thanks,
Keith

Re: phonograph in 47-1227 Philco console - rghines1 - 11-14-2010

It's got to be a 78 since the 33 record format came out a year later in 1948. 45s came out in 1949. That's the extent of my help. I'm surprised the record player is doing that much. Richard

Re: phonograph in 47-1227 Philco console - Radioroslyn - 11-14-2010

Well I think what you need to find is a manual for the turntable. SAM'S are usually pretty good about have that info. It would be in folder 25-22. It just have some hard grease or it maybe out of adjustment. Either could cause problems.Cartridge is shot. Can be rebuilt.
Terry

Re: phonograph in 47-1227 Philco console - Ron Ramirez - 11-14-2010

I think the answer to your problem might be found here:

Expired link deleted by site admin.

Something is wrong with your changer, as it sounds like it is stuck in "reject" mode. Unfortunately, I never learned much about changers, so I can't help you here. Music in a Bottle's radio-phonograph (see link above) is advertised as having a working phono, so you might be better off getting a working unit than spending a lot of time with a non-working one. Just a thought.

EDIT: Oops, Terry beat me to it. If you feel comfortable working on the changer you have, I would follow his suggestions. Otherwise, follow the link I posted above and ask Music about his changer.

Re: phonograph in 47-1227 Philco console - keith49vj3 - 11-14-2010

Given that it's going to play 78 RPM records I might limit my effort in fixing this. Could someone give me more info for SAM's? Is this a service that sells manuals?
Thanks,
Keith

Re: phonograph in 47-1227 Philco console - Ron Ramirez - 11-14-2010

If you want to play 33-1/3 and 45 rpm records, keep your eyes peeled for a 1949 Philco changer with two tone arms (one for LP, the other for 78), or an early 1950s three-speed model from a Philco. One of these will be more likely to fit the cutout in your set's motor board than will a newer changer, which will be physically smaller than the original changer.

Re: phonograph in 47-1227 Philco console - keith49vj3 - 11-14-2010

I'm kind of surprised I got the motor running, I took it apart, cleaned all the parts ,re-oiled the bearings and it ran. Does anyone know if there are any websites where I can download a free strobe disc image for checking the motor speed under a fluorescent light? I've found them for 45's and 33's but not 78's. I now know why I couldn't stobe it using a 33 strobe disc.
Keith

Re: phonograph in 47-1227 Philco console - Radioroslyn - 11-15-2010

Hi Keith,
I did find this http://www.nostalgiaair.org/PagesByModel/586/M0013586.pdf It's from 1946. It might give you a bit of an overview as to whats what. Don't know if this is the same as your set.
Terry

Re: phonograph in 47-1227 Philco console - Ron Ramirez - 11-15-2010

keith49vj3 Wrote:Does anyone know if there are any websites where I can download a free strobe disc image for checking the motor speed under a fluorescent light?

Try one of these links:

http://www.vinylengine.com/strobe-discs.shtml
http://www.quadesl.com/pdf/strobe.pdf

You probably know this already, but you want a 60 Hz disc.

Re: phonograph in 47-1227 Philco console - Radioroslyn - 11-15-2010

http://cgi.ebay.com/290335115028
He may have your folder. No connection at all!
Terry

Re: phonograph in 47-1227 Philco console - Chuck Schwark - 11-15-2010

FYI, the Model D-10 record changer service manual is part of the overall
service package (photocopies from original Philco bulletins) for your
1947 radio-phono console. Available through my site below.

Chuck

Re: phonograph in 47-1227 Philco console - keith49vj3 - 11-15-2010

I printed off the strobe disc and the turntable is operating at the correct speed (thanks Ron). If the turntable is in SAM's folder 25-22 does this mean page 22 in folder 25? I'm not familiar with SAM'S If I buy a folder on ebay will it have all the pages? Also, can anyone recommend a cartridge rebuilder? I'm on a roll.
Thanks,
Keith

Re: phonograph in 47-1227 Philco console - Ron Ramirez - 11-15-2010

Before you invest in a SAMS Photofact, please consider the schematic copying service offered by Chuck. By ordering from him, you will receive all pertinent service data for your radio including the phonograph. If you go the SAMS route, you'll have to get one folder for the radio, another for the phonograph. Also by ordering from Chuck, you will be supporting one of our own members. Icon_smile

http://www.philcorepairbench.com/schematics.htm

You can rebuild the cartridge yourself - Syl has provided complete instructions here:

http://philcoradio.com/phorum/showthread.php?tid=1019

But if you do not feel comfortable doing this, you can have it rebuilt here:

http://www.west-techservices.com/

Re: phonograph in 47-1227 Philco console - keith49vj3 - 11-15-2010

Found someone else's utube link showing a D10 turn table with the same problem as mine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DinWUXf9ez0
The problem is apparent about half way through the video. Will the SAM's info have operating instructions?
Thanks again.
Keith

RE: phonograph in 47-1227 Philco console - lasurveyor - 07-04-2012

Hi Keith,

Did you ever get that D-10 phono working proper? I've got a mechanical glitch with mine in that I can only start it in Manual and switch to Auto after its playing. It shouldn't be this way, any parallel with yours?

Alan