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40-190 - suggestions on finishing - Beckett - 01-31-2011
I recently got a 40-190 from a friend who had this radio in the attic of his old farmhouse. As you can imagine the cabinet finish is in really rough shape with much of the photo-finish missing. The rest of the unit (chassis/speaker/antenna/etc) is in fine shape however and doesn't appear to have mice damage.
My thoughts were to not even attempt at fixing the photo-finish and to sand it down and paint it a color that would have been popular at that time while also attempting to capture some of the previous detailing in some fashion. Finally adding the reproduction labels and covering the cabinet with a coat of something to protect the new finish.
Any thoughts/suggestions on a good paint color to start with that would compliment this unit? Has anyone ever attempted this before as an alternative? I hate to scrap the cabinet as I love the design and it's actually really structurally sound.
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Re: 40-190 - suggestions on finishing - Ron Ramirez - 01-31-2011
Hi
First of all, forget the paint. This set did not use any photofinish; it actually has real veneer on its front panel.
Take a look.
http://www.philcoradio.com/gallery/1940a.htm#ae
I would use Medium Walnut toning lacquer over the entire cabinet once it has been stripped; add Perfect Brown on the bottom trim for a little contrast. Finish with clear lacquer.
To finish the cabinet using other products (paint, polyurethane, etc.) would be to give the cabinet a finish that was not used originally.
Re: 40-190 - suggestions on finishing - Beckett - 01-31-2011
Looking at it - I thought on the front it was veneer - but the sides and arches looked a whole lot like pine or another cheap white wood! That's wonderful news that it's not a photo finish and to be honest I really HATE painting wood as a general rule! I thought I was just up a crick without a paddle here!
Re: 40-190 - suggestions on finishing - DeckApe - 02-02-2011
Wow. Aside from the flaking of the original finish, that cabinet looks to be in GREAT condition, right down to the original cloth.
Re: 40-190 - suggestions on finishing - codefox1 - 02-06-2011
Toned laquer hides a multitude of sins. If you want more character you can always use artists oils thinned down with paint thinner on soft wood, but use sparingly and let it dry at least a week before laquer regimen. When touching up, I have found out that the grey level or gamma, is more important than the actual hue, once everything is done and over, and a semi-gloss sheen is achieved.
Re: 40-190 - suggestions on finishing - gary rabbitt - 02-07-2011
Hi,
You can use the toner on the veneer to get your color right. On the trim areas, You could use a pigmented toner. That will help hide the cheaper wood frains, while adding a walnut color. The dye toner on the veneer will let the grain show through.
I would suggest that you fill the grain of the veneer. Otherwise the walnut veneer doesn't look all that good with the deep pores of the grain still showing.
There are many Youtube videos showing methods to fill the grain. Don't use 'wood filler' they do make grain filler in either oil base or water base.The water base dries too fast IMHO, so when this runs out, I will use oil based.
You can tone the filler as dark as you like. I prefer a darker grain pore than the surrounding wood color.
Your set overall looks great. The grillecloth is good shape too. I'd only use a soft brush and fllick off the dirt. If you attempt to wash it, you rish it falling apart. I have had it happen to me. It looks ok as it is, blow off and brush the dirt off.
Using oil stains mixed with clear may work, but it does take a long time to dry.
Good luck with your set.