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New acquisition - Glenn Roberts - 08-04-2011

Hi Everyone,

Thought I'd share a couple of photo's of my latest find, well actually my friend Lou's find, that he was willing to pickup from Columbus and pass on to me, Thanks again Lou!!

It's a 19LZ chairside that appears to be completely original. The top veneer is rough and the chassis is tar stained but it looks untouched, Icon_biggrin. I'll move this one up on my list to complete, it's a sweet little chairside.

http://s1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee487/glennpr/19LZ/

Glenn

Re: New acquisition - Ron Ramirez - 08-04-2011

Glenn

Great catch! Icon_thumbup You will be glad to know that most 19LZ sets were AM only (three knobs); yours is only the second 19LZ I've ever seen that has the "police" band as well as AM (four knobs).

Re: New acquisition - Glenn Roberts - 08-04-2011

Ron,
Question, after looking at the photo's online my cloth doesn't appear to be original. What would be the closest match to the original for this?

Thanks
Glenn

Re: New acquisition - Ron Ramirez - 08-04-2011

The closest thing you can get to the original is pattern #40 from Radio Grille Cloth Headquarters.

http://www.grillecloth.com/images/num40.gif

Not exactly like the original, but close enough.

Re: New acquisition - Michael Dennis - 08-04-2011

Now that's a nice looking chairside, and if it's got the old police band, that, to me, would make it far more interesting, even if there's nothing much on this old police band anymore.

Mike

Re: New acquisition - Ron Ramirez - 08-04-2011

It will, at least, allow this 19LZ to pick up the upper end of the modern AM band (1500 to 1710 kc), which you cannot receive on the earlier AM-only 19.

Plus, you might hear WWV at 2.5 mc during the hours of darkness, along with a little phone (AM) and SSB communications. You won't be able to clearly hear the SSB, of course, but this should give you an idea of what is between 1.7 and 3 mc.

Re: New acquisition - Michael Dennis - 08-04-2011

Was there a specific market the 19LZ was targeting back in the day?

Mike

Re: New acquisition - Glenn Roberts - 08-04-2011

Thanks for the info Ron. I will order it when I get around to changing it.
I find it interesting that the speaker is in the same direction as the controls face. So, if it's up against a recliner ( i.e. a LazyBoy), the speaker plays into the arm of the chair. It doesn't appear to be difficult to change, but....

Any thoughts?

Glenn

Re: New acquisition - Ron Ramirez - 08-04-2011

Hmmm...poor design on Philco's part. Maybe this is why Philco did not make a lot of 19LZ sets?

I suppose you could change the location of the speaker. After all, it has four grille openings! It would no longer be "original" but it isn't "original" anymore anyway, with that 1970s speaker cloth in the grilles.

So, it comes down to a choice of the speaker firing into the arm of your La-Z-Boy...or firing into the air away from you.

Yup...poor design on Philco's part. At least the 370 Lazyboy and the 71LZ have the speaker facing forward.

Edit: You do realize the dial layout is upside down compared to a conventional 19, right? Icon_smile It even has an upside-down dial scale, and when you have it sitting by your chair, the shadow meter will be closest to you.

Re: New acquisition - Glenn Roberts - 08-04-2011

Ron,

I wasn't sure about the dial scale, it's way too dirty to read at this point, but I did notice the shadow meter location which kinda led me to believe it is upside down. It's almost like the hinge design was backwards. If it was on the other way everything would be correct. However, the cabinet is notched out to accept the hinge, so it really can't be reversed. Almost makes you think someone goofed big that's why they stopped producing them, maybe?? also noticed on a second look at the chassis it has an outlet too, I'm guessing for a lamp, and someone in the past cut the speaker wires Icon_sad . nothing that can't be repaired.
There was a post awhile back on cleaning these dial scales. I don't remember what the consensus was to get it clean without removing the markings. Could someone please refresh my memory, it isn't what it used to be. Icon_smile
Glenn

Re: New acquisition - Ron Ramirez - 08-04-2011

Yes - mineral spirits to clean the dial. Here's the thread:

http://www.philcoradio.com/phorum/showthread.php?tid=1503

However, don't press on the dial markings when cleaning the dial or else the markings will get lighter (part of the ink will rub off).

The hinged lid to conceal the dial was carried over from the design of the 14LZX. When new models came out in July 1933, the entire top of the 14RX, 16RX, 17RX & 18RX swiveled open to reveal the dial and controls - which were still upside-down.

Yes, the outlet on the back of the 19LZ chassis was intended for use with a lamp, electric clock, or other device that did not draw a large amount of current.

This isn't the only Philco chairside that has the dial and controls reversed (upside-down) in relation to other similar models. In fact, most Philco chairsides used upside-down dial scales. The only ones I can think off offhand that didn't are:


Re: New acquisition - Sean - 08-04-2011

I really like my 19LZ which also has the police band. I need to order replacement grille cloth for it too. My daughter (now almost 4 years old) ripped out most of the original grille cloth while I wasn't looking when she was about 18 months old. The radio is a great performer and one of my favorites. My wife even likes it.

Re: New acquisition - TA Forbes - 08-04-2011

GREAT find, Glenn!!!!

Have you had a chance to get to your 116B yet? I'm curious to see if it works or not....

Re: New acquisition - Uffda - 08-04-2011

I'm guessing from the layout that it was intended to be placed between two seating areas with the grille facing forward and an end table for each person. Just looks logical to me.

Re: New acquisition - Chicago Jimmy - 08-04-2011

Nice...never seen a model like that.