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Philco 37-610 in a 38-9 cabinet - fixinmyphilco - 11-25-2011

Hello folks my first post here you all seem very nice.Well here goes...I bought this philco for $50.00 can't find a model number on it .but here is what I can find.On the chassis the outer one it says 28/3855 on the inner it says 28/2944. The dial says 27-5285. and inside the cabinet in chalk it says what looks like 30-620 J service not sure about the 30 because its very faint.Anyone know what the real model number is and what schematics would at least match the chassis so I have somewhere to start? I've seen similar cabinets but none with the chassis arrangment like this one. What kind of rubber bumpers go beneath the chassis to raise it to the correct height and which ones go between the volume and tone selectors to keep it away from the cabinet? and what others will I need ? pics are below Thanks Doug
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Re: Philco cabinet and chassis model? - Radioroslyn - 11-25-2011

37-610.
Terry

Re: Philco cabinet and chassis model? - fixinmyphilco - 11-25-2011

Thanks for that. Found the schematics anyone have anymore on these? Thanks Doug

Re: Philco cabinet and chassis model? - Ron Ramirez - 11-25-2011

Yup, that chassis does look like a 37-610.

The cabinet is another story. I found that my 1938 (June 1937) page had two errors. When I built this page, I was going by the 1938 Philco dealer catalog for the 38-623K, 38-624K, 37-630K & 38-2630K. These illustrations in the 1938 dealer catalog were incorrect.

According to Philco Furniture History, the 1938 "K" cabinets were all the same - so the 38-9K, 38-23K, 38-38K, 38-39K, 38-40K, 38-89K, 38-620K, 38-623K, 38-624K & 38-630K all used the same basic cabinet. Knob shaft holes differed for some models, but the cabinet was basically the same.

Now for your set, Doug. Right now, I believe it is a 37-610 chassis stuck into a 38-623K or 38-624K cabinet. It would fit these perfectly, as it would the 38-630K or 38-2630K cabinets. However, since the 38-630 and 38-2630 sets use shadowmeters, and there is no shadowmeter hole in your set's escutcheon, that eliminates the latter two cabinets. My question to you is this: Are there any sort of model number stickers inside the cabinet itself?

Although both Furniture History and the 1938 Philco dealer catalog state there was a 38-610J that used the same cabinet as the previous year's 37-610J, I can't help but wonder if there is a possibility that a few 38-610 sets were assembled in the "K" cabinet? Given what we have seen this year alone in Phactory Phranken-Philco sets, it is possible, after all.

Oh, and I have corrected the page in my site's Gallery.
http://www.philcoradio.com/gallery/1938a.htm

Re: Philco cabinet and chassis model? - fixinmyphilco - 11-26-2011

found this inside the cabinet
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Re: Philco cabinet and chassis model? - Ron Ramirez - 11-26-2011

Thanks for the photo, Doug, Verrrrry Interesting!

Furniture History does not list a 10287H. Instead, it lists the following cabinet part numbers which go with these corresponding models:

10287A - 38-9K, 38-23K.
10287B - 38-89K.
(no 10287C listed)
10287D - 38-38K.
10287E - 38-39K, 38-40K.
10287F - 38-630K, 38-2630K.
(no 10287G, H or I listed)
10287J - 38-623K, 38-624K.

28,400 of these cabinets were built by Red Lion Cabinet Company between March 8, 1937 and November 30, 1937.

And your cabinet is part number 10287H.

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My educated guess: I think you have a rarity there, an undocumented 38-610K.

Would you be so kind as to provide a good, clear photo of the entire front of the radio? Do you have the missing knobs? If so, photograph the set and send the high resolution photo to my email address, please. Thank you. This needs to be documented in the Gallery.

Re: Philco cabinet and chassis model? - fixinmyphilco - 11-26-2011

Will do asap the knobs should arrive today from Miss McCall and as Soon and I get good lighting I will send the picture to you. Thank you so much for the help Ron It is truely appreciated.I hope to restore this radio to the best of my ability and keep it as my showpiece.Any more info on what kind of gaskets or bushings it needs to replace the old brittle ones would be great. Thanks again Doug

Re: Philco cabinet and chassis model? - fixinmyphilco - 11-26-2011

Found the speaker is not original not sure what model speaker was used or where to get one...Doug

Re: Philco cabinet and chassis model? - Dan Walker - 11-26-2011

For the rubber gromets on your radio ,,try www renovatedradios.com/parts.html

Re: Philco cabinet and chassis model? - fixinmyphilco - 11-26-2011

Ah very good ty Doug

Re: Philco cabinet and chassis model? - Ron Ramirez - 11-26-2011

The speaker...if it originally used an 8 inch speaker, it would be type S-7 (1140 ohm field, single ended output transformer). If the speaker was a 10-1/2 inch unit, it would be type HS (same specs as S-7).

Re: Philco cabinet and chassis model? - Radioroslyn - 11-26-2011

Think there is a 10" one on epay. Good luck with it looks like a nice set!!
Terry

Re: Philco cabinet and chassis model? - Ron Ramirez - 11-26-2011

OK, just looked at the email you sent me last week, and I see you probably need the HS as it appears it needs the 10-1/2 inch speaker.

I think this is the speaker Terry was referring to:

http://cgi.ebay.com/320800645042

It is the only "H" series Philco speaker currently on eBay.

This is from a 1938 Philco set since it has the three-terminal connector on the speaker frame. If you think about bidding on this one, though, ask the seller what the resistance of the field coil is first! It needs to be around 1140 ohms. If it is more, or significantly less, it won't work. The auction ad does not mention any resistance readings.

Also (and this is very important) - make sure the seller properly packs the speaker! Give him these directions:

Lay the speaker cone side down on a large piece of cardboard. Fold the cardboard over the back of the speaker, cutting the cardboard as necessary, until the entire speaker is covered and the cardboard fits tightly over the entire speaker. Tape the cardboard shut.

If this is not done, the speaker will be damaged in shipping!

Re: Philco cabinet and chassis model? - fixinmyphilco - 11-26-2011

ty guys wish I had the money right now sigh Icon_sad

Re: Philco cabinet and chassis model? - Radioroslyn - 11-26-2011

I think it's been on epay for a while now like a few months and it hasn't sold. Maybe you could work out an arrangement with the seller and pick it up at a later date.
Terry
Glad to help out when I can.