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An Embarrassing Question! - Sam samuelian - 07-27-2015

After handling Philco and many other brands of consoles for years, I have a rather embarrassing question. I have an "as is" 37-10 Philco which needs the chassis installed. There are four holes with NO THREADS to mount it and no screws will hold. Using nuts and bolts would be impossible. Does anyone have the answer? Thanks in advance, Sam

RE: An Embarrassing Question! - morzh - 07-27-2015

If it is anything lime 37-116, believe it or not, it is held by one small screw in tge back of the chassis, the Teledial holding it in place.
Like a 4-40 screw. Just one. If it is like 37-116.

RE: An Embarrassing Question! - Sam samuelian - 07-27-2015

Thanks for your reply! The chassis actually does have one tiny rear central hole that is threaded, but I see no way how that would hold since the wood below has no hole for it and the holes that are there are large. Amazing that the 38-116 is held in place by just that one screw. 

RE: An Embarrassing Question! - morzh - 07-27-2015

37-116.

The 38-116 is also held by wooden blocks as the chassis is tilted back.

In 37-116 it is horizontal so no sluding force to counteract.

As for yours, do you see a hole in the wood where the hole in chassis is?
The screw should have a large washer.


PS. Just found that, yes it is like 37-116, one bolt.

http://philcoradio.com/phorum/showthread.php?tid=1678

RE: An Embarrassing Question! - Ron Ramirez - 07-27-2015

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RE: An Embarrassing Question! - morzh - 07-27-2015

Wait guys, it is a 37-10...

RE: An Embarrassing Question! - Ron Ramirez - 07-28-2015

AARRGGHHH... (facepalm)...

I thought he told me in an email it was a 38-10. I just looked at the email and he said 37-10. So my previous post made no sense, I'm deleting it...gotta stop speed reading, it's not working anymore... Icon_crazy

Mike (morzh) is right, if the 37-10 chassis has the two metal studs on each side then it was originally held down by four "J" bolts that were put in place for shipping and were supposed to be removed when the set was delivered to the original purchaser's home...which is why 90% or more of these J-bolts are missing...see the link Mike (morzh) posted in post #4 above.

RE: An Embarrassing Question! - Sam samuelian - 07-28-2015

Okay Ron and Mike, thanks for clearing this up for me. Looks like I still have a problem since there was never a small hole for a small screw. Since J bolts sound like they are hard to find, I might try bolds that have a circular top which will fit over the metal posts. Since this is a set I just want to sell quickly, something like that will have to do.

RE: An Embarrassing Question! - Sam samuelian - 07-29-2015

Unfortunately my problem still isn't over! We went out to Lowe's and bought four J bolts only to find that they don't line up with the holes. They are at least an inch away from the chassis posts. I checked Ron's fine book and the tube positions (I don't have the tube numbers since all are gone) are exactly the same. I saw some internet photos of the back and the antenna terminals are identical. I checked all the other 1937 chassis and none come close. What the heck is going on??? PS. Interestingly, none of the photos I saw had bolts showing!

I know I also saw another resource that pictured all Philco chassis but can't remember where I found them. Possibly on this site?

RE: An Embarrassing Question! - klondike98 - 07-29-2015

Maybe you could post pics of your chassis and cabinet.

RE: An Embarrassing Question! - morzh - 07-29-2015

Sam,


Will you be shipping this as an assembled unit?
Remember, those J-bolts only were needed for shipping. They were removed upon delivery.
If you will be shipping it with the cabinet and the chassis being separated, you do not need those.
You can just (if you do not have it) drill a small hole where it is supposed to be, then drill the larger cylinder around it for the washer and use that small screw and a washer. You could test it and then supply them for the customer.

RE: An Embarrassing Question! - Sam samuelian - 08-18-2015

(07-29-2015, 02:26 PM)morzh Wrote:  Sam,


Will you be shipping this as an assembled unit?
Remember, those J-bolts only were needed for shipping. They were removed upon delivery.
If you will be shipping it with the cabinet and the chassis being separated, you do not need those.
You can just (if you do not have it) drill a small hole where it is supposed to be, then drill the larger cylinder around it for the washer and use that small screw and a washer. You could test it and then supply them for the customer.

I forgot to give all who gave me excellent suggestions how we ended our problems. First, Anna and I aligned the set in the front so the chassis sits right in the center of the tuning indicator. Then we got thin strips of wood and literally glued them to the mounting board and to the chassis. Then we needed to raise the chassis somewhat and used another thin board and more glue in the rear of the chassis. Finally, I found two good J bolts and they just fit and hold the metal posts that stick out of the chassis. Hooked up the speaker, cleaned everything, and then the best part: I used a new type of tung oil that you put on and then quickly wipe off. Now this formerly awful looking console looks lovely and shines. It still has no tubes, but we priced it right and hope soon it will find a home. I can tell you for sure I will never again buy a console that isn't permanently mounted down!! Here is the ebay link if you want to see the finished product: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-1937-PHILCO-37-10-MULTI-BAND-Teledial-TUNING-DIAL-WOOD-CONSOLE-TUBE-RADIO-/271957707036?hash=item3f51f1491c

RE: An Embarrassing Question! - sam - 08-18-2015

sam
your link is not working
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-1937-PHILCO-37-10-MULTI-BAND-Teledial-TUNING-DIAL-WOOD-CONSOLE-TUBE-RADIO-/271957707036?hash=item3f51f1491c
sam

RE: An Embarrassing Question! - morzh - 08-18-2015

>>>. I can tell you for sure I will never again buy a console that isn't permanently mounted down!


Your loss, some of the best consoles from 1937-1938 are like this. 1938 is a bit better as the inclined panel required inclined chassis board and so it had to be held by those blocks but 1937 with remedial are all lime this, one screw in the back.

Better yet Atwater Kent console 808 has NO SCREWS WHATSOEVER and even the speaker is hung not screwed.

RE: An Embarrassing Question! - Arran - 08-23-2015

 If the 1937 models are anything like the 1936 models, some had rubber shock mounts that were fitted into sockets on the inside front of the cabinet that would mate up with a pair of studs on the front apron of the chassis, so if it's like that then the one bolt at the rear is more then sufficient to keep the chassis in place. I believe that Renovated Radios sells reproductions of these mounts.
Regards
Arran