39-6443E - Printable Version
+- The PHILCO Phorum (https://philcoradio.com/phorum)
+-- Forum: Philco Radio Discussions (https://philcoradio.com/phorum/forumdisplay.php?fid=5)
+--- Forum: Philco Home Radios (https://philcoradio.com/phorum/forumdisplay.php?fid=6)
+--- Thread: 39-6443E (/showthread.php?tid=24732)
+- The PHILCO Phorum (https://philcoradio.com/phorum)
+-- Forum: Philco Radio Discussions (https://philcoradio.com/phorum/forumdisplay.php?fid=5)
+--- Forum: Philco Home Radios (https://philcoradio.com/phorum/forumdisplay.php?fid=6)
+--- Thread: 39-6443E (/showthread.php?tid=24732)
Pages:
1
2
39-6443E - Paulroney - 11-23-2023
I recently rescued up a Philco push button radio from the local dump.
All of the exterior paper labels on the back are missing. It looks like a 39-25T, but has eight tubes.
On the inside of the case there is a tube diagram that says 39-6443E, but I can find no reference to this model on the internet.
The tube diagram shows seven tubes, but the chassis actually has EIGHT sockets, one of which is empty. The empty socket has 6V6 written in pen beside it.
The radio was produced in Canada, based on the tag on the back of the chassis
I would like to get schematics and attempt a restoration, but don’t know where to go from here, as I don’t trust the model number specified, since the tube count is wrong. In addition, the rectifier tube on the tube diagram is in a different location on the chassis, so the diagram is obviously wrong.
I wondered if the radio had been modified to add the additional socket, but it looks original.
Any help or advice on how to proceed would be greatly appreciated.
RE: 39-6443E - patrician56 - 11-23-2023
Just an observation. The Canadian model 17AT was equivalent to the US produced 40-155 which used 7 tubes. The 4 tube sockets adjacent to the transformer look to be attached to the chassis with screws (and probably nuts underneath). I believe that the factory tube sockets were riveted to the chassis. I suspect that there have been changes but very old ones.
462ron - 462ron - 11-24-2023
That number 39-6443E is probably the part# for the label itself!
Ron
RE: 39-6443E - Paulroney - 11-24-2023
Thanks guys!
@patrician56 - I’m also wondering about the possibility of the addition of a push-pull output stage.
@462ron - I too was thinking about the number on the tube diagram being a part number. Does anyone else have a similar radio with a tube diagram that would confirm this theory?
Finally, if the radio has been modified, the big question is deciding what to do moving forward:
1 - Attempt to get it working in its current state (without a schematic)
2 - Revert to the original design (assuming I can get a proper schematic)
3 - Leave it non-functional but clean up the cabinet
Paul
RE: 39-6443E - madsowry - 11-24-2023
From the top, your chassis looks exactly like an American Philco 40-180 chassis. If you get the schematic for the 40-180 and run out the circuits, it may be the same. Just my observation.
Dick
RE: 39-6443E - Brad Winder - 11-27-2023
Reproduction push buttons are available from Renovated Radios, as are the rubber chassis mounts.
RE: 39-6443E - patrician56 - 11-28-2023
I think that you will find that your radio already has a push - pull output stage - the 2 - #41 tubes.
Philco offered a number of radios in the 1939 - 1942 era in both table and console versions that offered this "slant dial" chassis with a few variations. Your model uses the same cabinet as a US 40 - 155T, however that radio used an 8-tube layout while your radio appears to have been originally a 7-tube layout. The US model 40 - 150T used a 7-tube layout. The 1 additional tube for the 40 - 155 is listed as a "diode detector".
In any event, these radios perform very nicely and sound great. I had the 1941 model 41 - 255 which has a 9-tube layout, some of which are the "loctal" tubes that Philco was pushing that year. I did it for a friend and he has gotten a great deal of enjoyment out of it.
Check out the service information on the Philco library section of the Phorum site and compare the schematic for the 40 - 150, 40 - 155 and the 40 -180 variations with what you have.
RE: 39-6443E - Joe Rossi - 11-29-2023
My 2 cents. This is a Philco 40-155 based on the cabinet design over the speaker. It has been modified, evidenced in part because of the transformer. It isn’t squarely on the chassis (hanging over the edge) and appears to be a replacement. As 6V6’s aren’t part of the original tube line-up, someone wired in some octal sockets to sub for the 41’s and the 84. In fact, there were NO octal tubes in the tube line-up. Checking the components underneath and tracing the circuit would be the first step.
RE: 39-6443E - Paulroney - 11-30-2023
Yes, I think that’s what happened. I’m away from home for a week but on my return I will Start to create a schematic from the components in their current state. It also appears that a newer speaker has been wired to the output withoue]t a proper transformer between the two, and I’m guessing this is going to be an issue. I’ll know more once I’ve mapped it out. Hoping I can still read the test on the axial capacitors…
RE: 39-6443E - Arran - 11-30-2023
Actually the 6J8EG is an octal based tube, but the #41s and the #84 were six pins, the 7B7 and 7C6 were loctals. I'm guess that the eighth tube was from someone adding a phase invertor as opposed to the screen grid inversion setup the radio had according to the tube chart. Incidentally I think the rectifier tube was put in the wrong socket, although it was rewired to accept a 5Y3/5Y4 but there would be no reason to relocate it, power transformer may also be a replacement. Schematics for Canadian Philco sets were published in the RCC manuals, and whilst many were copies of U.S sets many had changes made like different tube types substituted, and more cloth wire and less gutta percha/rubber wire used.
Regards
Arran
RE: 39-6443E - Radioroslyn - 11-30-2023
The 84/6Z4 is a 5 pin job. Do note that the 5Y3 and 5Y4 are not interchangeable because the filament and plate pin are wired differently. Philco sets that have the original socket for the rectifier some of the reciprocals for the pins are deleted. This means if you happen to have a 5Y3 and not a 5Y4 you can't add a few jumpers so both tubes could be used. Those sneak! This doesn't apply to this set as the socket is a replacement.
RE: 39-6443E - Joe Rossi - 11-30-2023
Arran, You are correct about the 6J8. However, the 40-155 has 8 tubes; a 1232, a 7C6, a 7A6, a 7J7, a 7B7, an 84, and two 41’s. What I can’t see is why the label only shows 7 tubes. Maybe a 40-150 chassis modified? It’d be nice to know what the replacement tubes are.
RE: 39-6443E - Radioroslyn - 11-30-2023
Looks like someone slipped a 6SN7 in there next to the 5Y3.
RE: 39-6443E - David - 11-30-2023
Beitmans Philco 40-155
RE: 39-6443E - Joe Rossi - 11-30-2023
David, This schematic is for the 40-115. 40-155 is on page 85 of the 1940 Beitman. The Riders is in vol.10.