Welcome Guest! Be sure you know and follow the Phorum Rules before posting. Thank you and Enjoy! (January 12) x

Thread Closed
Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5

51-530 popping noise
#1

I've recapped a 51-530 and replaced several out of tolerance resistors. It plays ok, but there is a popping sound between stations. It mostly disappears when a strong station is tuned in. I cleaned the tube sockets, particularly the two loctals, and that seemed to help somewhat. Question: can a Philco of this vintage have SMD? Other things to look at?
#2

Hello mancave,
to answer your question yes that model does have those dreaded IF cans.

Sincerely Richard
#3

I've had luck taking them out of the can, removing the mica caps from the circuit by lifting the spring loaded contact to each cap then solder in a 50-60pf cap to each winding. You have nothing to lose and it's not too difficult if you're careful and mark your trail. Pay attention to the position of the transformer primary and secondary inside the can and how it's mounted on the chassis.
#4

I would suggest leaving the IF cans alone until you rule out all other faults, those are very delicate on the inside with hair thin wires, popping between stations sounds like some form of interference. Are there any electric fences in your area? Can you pick up the popping on any other radio? There is also a capacitor across the power line in these sets, if that's open you will get all kinds of noise.
Regards
Arran
#5

I'll try the radio in a different location to see if interference is a factor. I did replace all capacitors, but I'll check the across the line cap to make sure it's not open. I'm not eager to open the IF cans! Thanks.
#6

Also see if tuning cap is dirty and might need cleaning.

People who do not drink, do not smoke, do not eat red meat will one day feel really stupid lying there and dying from nothing.
#7

To elaborate on Arran's comments: Try running 2 similar radios in the same location, in the same outlet. If it happens on both radios, then the issue is likely external, but could be power transformer arcing (that would likely transmit to the other radio, however, your radio does not have a power transformer). If only in the radio in question, it is internal.

Yes, the lack of power line filter caps can allow external interference in. early (late 1929s) AC radios did not have these. I could pick up the oven heating elements cycling on my Radiola 16.

If external, s the popping occasional or frequent? Do you have an electric stove or electric water heater?

SMD or any arcing in the radio can cause this. As Arran pointed out, a dirty tuning cap can also cause this. This most commonly presents itself as noise as the tuning knob is rotated, and is more likely to occur the more the plates mesh. If you turn the radio to the highest frequency (tuning cap completely open) and the noise goes away, the issue is in the cap. If the noise still exists, it is elsewhere.

The noise may be further isolated by removing the 2nd IF tube (on your set, you will need to bridge the filament connections with the appropriate 40 Ohm 5W resistor, or bridge and pray. If the noise disappears or is greatly reduced, the issue is not in the audio section.

Did you replace all the caps? Maybe replace the resistors. Swap the tubes. If no joy, you may be looking at SMD.

"Do Justly, love Mercy and walk humbly with your God"- Micah 6:8
"Let us begin to do good"- St. Francis

Best Regards, 

MrFixr55
#8

FWIW, any 1950s AM radio I ever observed with SMD exhibited a thunderstorm-like constant static, not just "popping". So I wonder if this is just the beginning of SMD, or possibly an external source of interference?

--
Ron Ramirez
Ferdinand IN
#9

Quote:or possibly an external source of interference?
If a cell phone is nearby RF "popping" comes from a battery maintenance circuit. This noise extends down into audio and can be picked-up on wired computer speakers.

If the phone is completely off, this does not occur...

Pliny the younger
“nihil novum nihil varium nihil quod non semel spectasse sufficiat”




Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)
[-]
Recent Posts
Need to purchase some accessories for restoration of my Old Philco Radio
Hi Paulo, Welcome to the Philco Phorum. I can see why you want to find good reproduction parts. That is a bea...MrFixr55 — 11:10 PM
HiFi (Chifi) tube amp build - but my own design.
Tim, I have some bakelite sockets in my work shop that I can dig up. I believe quite a few are NOS. I will take photo...RodB — 10:03 PM
Philco 610B oscillator wiring
> The cathode as noted is wired directly to the ground side of the heater filament for that tube, not to the #17 and ...Radioroslyn — 08:12 PM
HiFi (Chifi) tube amp build - but my own design.
Tim; I noticed your post a little late, but I would take one of the junk sockets and try to break a chunk out of it wi...Arran — 08:07 PM
Need to purchase some accessories for restoration of my Old Philco Radio
Here is a list of resources found in our online library that you might find useful. Mike's Gobs of Knobs email addres...klondike98 — 01:46 PM
First Radio restoration
Hi Tubeman, Welcome to the Philco Phorum.  Phamily Phriendly Pfun with Phine Pholks Phull of Philco Phacts. (See a p...MrFixr55 — 12:33 PM
First Radio restoration
You could post in the WANTED ADs section here on the Phorum and see if anyone has an RF generator that they want to sell...klondike98 — 11:55 AM
Zenith H725
Good ideas, thank you Arrange and Rich. I have the adhesive aluminum foil already and can try that immediately. More ...EdHolland — 10:18 AM
Graphics for majestic 1050 dial glass.
Murf; I found this thread on the ARF, the first photo has a pretty good view of the dial glass. Regards ArranArran — 01:12 AM
Zenith H725
hello Ed, how about that speacial tape used for ducting it's like foil or how about thin piece of aluminum roof flash...radiorich — 12:19 AM

[-]
Who's Online
There are currently 1451 online users. [Complete List]
» 1 Member(s) | 1450 Guest(s)
Avatar

>