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Philco 40-155
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Have been unable to locate the correct schematic for this.  All the schematics I find show a 7J7 for the detector/oscillator, mine has a 6K8. The chassis is stamped  40-155, code  121 and the schematic is similar except for condenser 6 and 22 which are a different value listed that what is in this radio.  Performance seems about the same compared to the Philco 39-25 that I restored earlier.  The 40-155 uses a 1232 (7G7) for a r.f. amplifier and an additional 41 for push pull output so I really expected better sound and better reception; I even replicated the built in antenna on the 40-155.  Both of the radio's came without speakers so I installed the same type of  pm speaker in both, would the original speaker make a difference in sound quality?
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Welcome to the Phorum, Roger. Here is the service data for your radio. See the production dhanges listed on page 2. Take care, Gary

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Gary - Westland Michigan
#3

Gary, thank you for the instant response! Think I'm missing something here, can't seem to find the service data that you posted.
#4

Sorry Roger, forgot to add it. It's all found at the bottom of the page in the Philco Radio Library.
https://philcoradio.com/library/index.ph...year-book/
Take care, Gary

"Don't pity the dead, pity the living, above all, those living without love."
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Gary - Westland Michigan
#5

Hi Roger,

First off, Welcome to the Philco Phorum!  Secondly, apologies in advance for the length of this post.

I am sure that Gary will answer you the next time he is on line.  On the bottom right of the page, you will see the Avatars(?) of those members who are currently on line.

The following link is from the Philco Library on this Phorum and shows the version with the 7J7 Pentagrid Convertor.  
Part48-Philco 1940 RMS Year Book.pdf

Now this is where it gets interesting!

The same document states that there are certain runs with a 6J8 Octal tube replacing the 7J7.  Per the Radiomuseum website, The 6J8 is supposedly a Russian version of a 6K7 remote cutoff pentode, hardly the tube one would want to use as a convertor.  However, Radiomuseum does list a 6J8 Triode Heptode, where the triode is used as an oscillator and the heptode section is used as a mixer.  This triode oscillator / heptode mixer configuration usually works better at high frequencies than the typical pentagrid convertor.  Remember, that in the late 1930s to 1960s or later, shortwave was to many people what the internet is today.  Shortwave was the window to news (true or propaganda) of the developing conflicts that culminated in WWII, and for many immigrants, news of the land that they left.

The next issue is that your radio has a 6K8, which is a triode hexode, not a triode heptode.  These are not the same tube.  Is the tube location sticker still in your radio?  Does it state 7J7, 6J8 or 6K8?

To further complicate things, there is no insertin the Philco Service Document for your radio showing the 6J8 circuit. 

The following may help:

Attached below are 2 pages from Radiomuseum describing the 6J8 and the 6K8 and showing typical oscillator mixer circuits with tube "pinouts":
   
   

Attached below is a link to the Philco 41-722 which uses the 6J8 Triode Hexode:
Part67-Philco 1941 RMS Year Book.pdf

Attached is an "Emergency Tube Substitution Guide published by RCA during WWII.  (New radio and replacement part production stopped in 1942 to build the electronics that were required by the US Military.)  The manual does not show that a 6K8 can replace a 6J8.  Both tubes are listed.


Now, for the poor sound issue:

Are you dealing with a distortion issue?  The fact that you have a 6K8 instead of a 6J8 may be an issue. 

I am a believer in "divide and conquer troubleshooting.  In addition, I like to add "aux inputs" to my radios so that I can pipe music from an MP3, computer, etc., a great way to get "old time" radio to play from your "old time radio" (pardon the pun).  It also helps in the diagnosis of where the distortion comes from.  The amplifier section of this radio should sound rather clean.  Not Fisher, Scott or Marantz clean, but clean.  The best place to "inject" an outside signal is at the junction of the detector and the Volume control.  If you are interested, I will do a diagram.  Any modern speaker is likely better than the original.  However, there are 2 issues that must be dealt with:
  • Correct voice col impedance for the transformer in use
  • Correct resistor or choke in place of the field coil (and likely the necessity tto increase the capacity of the filter caps).

Do recap the radio and check all resistors.  For this and other radios, Philco has a rather novel method of getting the inverted signal for the second Pentode in the Push Pull Circuit.  Note that there is no Phase Invertor Stage.  Note the 3900 Ohm resistor between B+ and the screen of one of the 41s.  Note the capacitor between the screen of that 41 and the grid of the other 41.  That is how the inverse phase needed for the second pentode in the push pull output is generated.  It is critical that all caps and resistors in this section of the circuit be exact (within stated tolerances) and in good shape. 

Again, sorry for the length of this.  Hope it helps!


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.pdf RCA Tub Subs Dir WWII.pdf Size: 1.63 MB  Downloads: 1

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MrFixr55




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