Welcome Guest! Be sure you know and follow the Phorum Rules before posting. Thank you and Enjoy! (January 12, 2025) x

Thread Closed

How do you find the model number on the record changer?
#1

Can someone tell me where to get info on the record changers for Philco consoles? The PhotoFacts just give info on the radios. I'm trying to find the model number of the changer in a 48-1284 with dual tonearms as pictured in the previous post.
#2

Many times it's not on the changers. Philco Service Manuals will always
state the phono model number and in your case the Model 48-1284
originally came with a Model M-8. The M-8 has only one tone arm,
so someone has added one. Maybe a cutter head(?)

Chuck
#3

Thanks Chuck. So according to this picture, is this the wrong turntable for this model?

http://pages.suddenlink.net/kirk28/49-16...Open-1.jpg
#4

Marcapra

Are you sure you do not have a 49-1609 instead of a 48-1284?

The changer is correct for the 1949 model.

The two cabinets (48-1284, 49-1609) are identical.

If your set is a 48-1284, then someone added the 1949 changer to be able to play the then-new 33-1/3 rpm LP records in addition to 78s.

--
Ron Ramirez
Ferdinand IN
#5

Ron,

Would that be the M-9C changer?

Chuck
#6

Yes, the 49-1609 uses the M-9C.

Additionally, the M-9C is similar to the M-9 (78 rpm only) except that the M-9C is designed to operate at either 78 or 33-1/3 rpm.

The M-9C only changes records at 78 rpm. The LP tonearm is used at 33-1/3 rpm, and is designed to be used manually only.

--
Ron Ramirez
Ferdinand IN
#7

I believe the two models with identical cabinets are the 49-1609 and the 50-1726. The 48-1284 is similar, but has a centered speaker grille, with record storage on both sides. I've seen several 48 consoles with the 49 dual tonearm phono, and now it makes sense. If you were a Philco customer who bought a console in 48, just as the first LPs were coming out, you might have felt your console was made immediately obsolete. I'm sure the local Philco dealer would have offered a retrofit with a 49 dual tonearm changer.
#8

Here is the 48-1284, from original mid-season 1948 Philco information.

[Image: http://www.philcoradio.com/gallery/image...81284c.jpg]

Now, the 49-1609, from a 1949 Philco catalog.

[Image: http://www.philcoradio.com/gallery/image...491609.jpg]

The cabinets are identical!

Quote:...and now it makes sense. If you were a Philco customer who bought a console in 48, just as the first LPs were coming out, you might have felt your console was made immediately obsolete. I'm sure the local Philco dealer would have offered a retrofit with a 49 dual tonearm changer.

Of course this is a good possibility. This is why we are finding many 1941 and 1942 Philco radio-phonographs today which no longer have their original Beam of Light changers, but a newer one instead.

There is a 46-1213 in the big antique mall in Edinburgh, Indiana (Exit 76 Antique Mall, if anyone's interested in it) which has a 1950s era V-M changer in place of the original 78 rpm (only) changer.

It happens.

--
Ron Ramirez
Ferdinand IN
#9

Addendum:

According to Philco's service notes for Model 48-1284, it originally used the M-8 changer (78 rpm only). The 49-1609 came with the M-9C as standard equipment.

It probably would not be difficult to replace an M-8 with an M-9C.

Have a nice day, I'm going back to my college studies now...

--
Ron Ramirez
Ferdinand IN
#10

Whoops, my bad! Sorry for all the confusion here. When I said 49-1609, I really meant 49-1613 which has the same cabinet as the 50-1726. Ron thanks for correcting me! Marc.




Users browsing this thread:
[-]
Recent Posts
Philco P45-6365 Universal Transformer Instruction Manual
Can anyone guide me to where this may be found?GRG — 03:00 PM
54C Complete Teardown/Rebuild
I don't think that I have encountered a 12Z3 before, curious how it uses one of those but includes a #43, which is a 25 ...Arran — 02:17 PM
HiFi (Chifi) tube amp build - but my own design.
It's the other forum. I'm also in DIY, but mostly read there. Honestly, I kinda jumped into this without much thought to...TV MAN — 10:43 AM
Philco 71 Code 125
Hello,  I am in need of a schematic for this radio. Mine has the three separate circular tube shields and a shadow me...dconant — 08:06 AM
Stromberg Carlson 1500 Squeal
And life just keeps getting more complicated.dconant — 07:57 AM
54C Complete Teardown/Rebuild
Hello Roy, here is this one sincerely Richardradiorich — 12:45 AM
54C Complete Teardown/Rebuild
Richard, Had grabbed it already but thank you just the same.  I find myself wanting to find some way to block out the...glyphmon — 12:03 AM
54C Complete Teardown/Rebuild
Hello roy, here is a link to the schematic . Sincerely Richardradiorich — 11:54 PM
54C Complete Teardown/Rebuild
Richard, The Silvertone 2014 also is a transformerless set, so I am incorporating a 1:1 600 ohm audio isolation transfo...glyphmon — 11:37 PM
Preliminary work on wife's Silvertone 2014
Did an alignment today which was interesting.  IF alignment went great, almost all was already spot-on.  Adjusting on th...glyphmon — 11:35 PM

[-]
Who's Online
There are currently 2688 online users. [Complete List]
» 2 Member(s) | 2686 Guest(s)
AvatarAvatar

>