Philco 90 speaker qustion
Posts: 1,519
Threads: 69
Joined: Nov 2012
City: Kansas city, MO.
While trying to determine if the speaker for my model 90 cathedral is just not that good sounding (it is a model 20 speaker with an Hammond 125C transformer) 2- 45 push pull output tubes.
I hooked up my model 20 speaker from a restored 20 radio. I was able to just set it next to the 90 chassis and plug it in. It sounded a whole lot better.
What I did notice was the amperage draw when using the speaker with the Hammond transformer was 825mA
with the speaker in the 20 radio that has an original output trans. the amps. were 625mA.
Whew, my question is :
Is the difference in the amp. readings anything to be worried about or is it just the difference btwn. the original OPT and the Hammond OPT?
Posts: 18,427
Threads: 622
Joined: Oct 2011
City: Jackson
State, Province, Country: NJ
Extra 20W...doubt it is the xfmr. Unless hooked really wrong. But even then....
How's your field coil, the resistance?
People who do not drink, do not smoke, do not eat red meat will one day feel really stupid lying there and dying from nothing.
Posts: 1,519
Threads: 69
Joined: Nov 2012
City: Kansas city, MO.
Posts: 18,427
Threads: 622
Joined: Oct 2011
City: Jackson
State, Province, Country: NJ
What's your Hammond hookup to tubes and field coil? Also show exactly how you have your speaker plug connected yo FC and xfmr prinary.
People who do not drink, do not smoke, do not eat red meat will one day feel really stupid lying there and dying from nothing.
Posts: 1,519
Threads: 69
Joined: Nov 2012
City: Kansas city, MO.
I'll try to explain it. I hope its not too confusing.
OPT- red wire to green & white speaker wire and also field coil wire which is D pin
OPT- blue wire to BLK/white speaker wire which is P pin
OPT- brown wire to solid white speaker wire which is second P pin
Green speaker wire to other field coil wire - which is E on schematic
Posts: 18,427
Threads: 622
Joined: Oct 2011
City: Jackson
State, Province, Country: NJ
(07-31-2016, 05:14 PM)KCMike Wrote: I'll try to explain it. I hope its not too confusing.
It is
I mean, your speaker colors don't mean much. I need to know the functions. Which you gave, we need to make sure you are sure the "white speaker wire" is a P.
But we also need to
1) the connections to the plug (make sure your pkug and socket pinouts agree) and
2) voice coil to xfmr output connection (numbers).
People who do not drink, do not smoke, do not eat red meat will one day feel really stupid lying there and dying from nothing.
Posts: 1,519
Threads: 69
Joined: Nov 2012
City: Kansas city, MO.
 Okay the white speaker wire which is connected to brn. wire of the OPT. is one of the plates of output tube, it is also correct at the plug pin and socket hole.
the blk/wht speaker wire is connected to blue wire of OPT and is the other tube plate. It also is correct at the plug pin and socket hole.
The red center tap wire of OPT is connected to the other field coil wire and speaker plug pin that goes to D socket and is correct.
The other speaker wire, green, connects to the field coil wire and its pin out goes to correct socket hole E that has the primary of AF transformer attached to socket inside the chassis
The voice coil wires are connected to secondary # 5 & 6 of OPT. which on the series connection chart on the Hammond box shows that at 1.5 VC impedance would be 8500. I did try 1-3 connection that's 5400 it didn't sound as good.
(This post was last modified: 07-31-2016, 08:31 PM by KCMike.)
Posts: 18,427
Threads: 622
Joined: Oct 2011
City: Jackson
State, Province, Country: NJ
You need to try 3 and 4 pins. They give 1:100 ratio which is what 20 xfmr is.
Don't go by impedance - go by ratio.
People who do not drink, do not smoke, do not eat red meat will one day feel really stupid lying there and dying from nothing.
Posts: 1,519
Threads: 69
Joined: Nov 2012
City: Kansas city, MO.
Thanks Mike I'll give that a try tomorrow. Time for a brew and bed.
Posts: 1,519
Threads: 69
Joined: Nov 2012
City: Kansas city, MO.
I went ahead and did as you said Mike went with pins 3&4. It does sound better but still has some distortion.
I let it play for about 2 hours and all seems okay as for as anything getting hot. Transformer was just medium warm to touch.
I think I'm going to leave it alone and finish the cabinet, getting close to putting the grill cloth in and reinstall the chassis & speaker.
This was the ugly painted green cabinet that I have been working on.
Thanks for your advice.
Posts: 18,427
Threads: 622
Joined: Oct 2011
City: Jackson
State, Province, Country: NJ
Mike
Tere also could be a problem with the speaker itself.
Good test, take this same transformer, and attach the output to a good PM speaker, using proper taps to match impedance. See if the speaker sounds better.
People who do not drink, do not smoke, do not eat red meat will one day feel really stupid lying there and dying from nothing.
Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)
|
|
Recent Posts
|
|
54C Complete Teardown/Rebuild
|
| I don't think that I have encountered a 12Z3 before, curious how it uses one of those but includes a #43, which is a 25 ...Arran — 02:17 PM |
|
HiFi (Chifi) tube amp build - but my own design.
|
| It's the other forum. I'm also in DIY, but mostly read there. Honestly, I kinda jumped into this without much thought to...TV MAN — 10:43 AM |
|
Philco 71 Code 125
|
| Hello,
I am in need of a schematic for this radio. Mine has the three separate circular tube shields and a shadow me...dconant — 08:06 AM |
|
Stromberg Carlson 1500 Squeal
|
| And life just keeps getting more complicated.dconant — 07:57 AM |
|
54C Complete Teardown/Rebuild
|
| Hello Roy,
here is this one
sincerely Richardradiorich — 12:45 AM |
|
54C Complete Teardown/Rebuild
|
| Richard,
Had grabbed it already but thank you just the same. I find myself wanting to find some way to block out the...glyphmon — 12:03 AM |
|
54C Complete Teardown/Rebuild
|
| Hello roy,
here is a link to the schematic .
Sincerely Richardradiorich — 11:54 PM |
|
54C Complete Teardown/Rebuild
|
| Richard,
The Silvertone 2014 also is a transformerless set, so I am incorporating a 1:1 600 ohm audio isolation transfo...glyphmon — 11:37 PM |
|
Preliminary work on wife's Silvertone 2014
|
| Did an alignment today which was interesting. IF alignment went great, almost all was already spot-on. Adjusting on th...glyphmon — 11:35 PM |
|
54C Complete Teardown/Rebuild
|
| The main problem with adding a Bluetooth input is that this set lacks a traditional power transformer to isolate it from...radiorich — 11:19 PM |
|
Who's Online
|
There are currently 2168 online users. [Complete List] » 1 Member(s) | 2167 Guest(s)
|
|
|
|

|