Philco 38-690 Candohm Resistor Wattages and values?
Posts: 74
Threads: 42
Joined: May 2008
City: Shinnston, West Virginia
State, Province, Country: USA
One of the candohm resistors is bad in a Philco 38-690. The values are uncommon. Do you try to come within 20 percent of the original value? And how do you find the wattages of the resistors? The Philco part number is 33-3323 and there is another candohm whose Philco part number is 30-3324.
Thanks,
nv3g
Oscar
Posts: 18,427
Threads: 622
Joined: Oct 2011
City: Jackson
State, Province, Country: NJ
I can look tonight what I bought for mine.
(PS. I never put them in - the original ones worked ok, but I bought them just in case).
You mean the ones in the Power/Amp chassis?
People who do not drink, do not smoke, do not eat red meat will one day feel really stupid lying there and dying from nothing.
Posts: 74
Threads: 42
Joined: May 2008
City: Shinnston, West Virginia
State, Province, Country: USA
Yes, I have worked on several Philco radios in the past and the candohm resistors tend to go bad. I wanted to also see if there was some information on the wattage of each section.
Thanks,
nv3g
Oscar
Posts: 1,824
Threads: 114
Joined: Jul 2014
City: Sneedville, TN
To figure out the wattage use Ohm's Law. Take the voltage that appears across the whole candohm resistor. Using Ohms law, you can find the current through the entire candohm, Total current = Total voltage / total resistance. This gives you the current that flows through the candohm. Since the sections are in series the current will be the same through each section. Now, using the formula, Wattage = Current x Current x Resistance, you can compute the wattage for each section. This will give you a value that is close enough for government work. I usually go twice the indicated wattage for the resistor minimum, it runs cooler that way.
(This post was last modified: 07-17-2018, 12:44 PM by mikethedruid.
Edit Reason: spelling
)
Posts: 18,427
Threads: 622
Joined: Oct 2011
City: Jackson
State, Province, Country: NJ
Mike,
The very reason the candohm is subdivided in sections is to get different voltages developed. Each section may be loaded in turn so the actual effective resistance of it will be smaller when loaded than the one you see listed. So the total voltage, although it does give you the total dissipation, will not necessarily give you each part's proportionate dissipation as the current is not the same throughout the whole resistor, at least in theory, if you use the listed values.
I did at some point the measurements. I might even have them listed in my 38-690 thread. (have to see if they are there)
People who do not drink, do not smoke, do not eat red meat will one day feel really stupid lying there and dying from nothing.
Posts: 18,427
Threads: 622
Joined: Oct 2011
City: Jackson
State, Province, Country: NJ
I bought: (values are close ones from Mouser that are reasonable and not superexpensive)
225 ohm - 10W
147 Ohm - 3W
47 Ohm - 3W
960 ohm - 3W
370 Ohm - 3W
3200 Ohm - I think I bought two 1600 ohm 10W each (cheap)
2400 Ohm - 2x 1200 ohm 5W.
These are very conservative.
People who do not drink, do not smoke, do not eat red meat will one day feel really stupid lying there and dying from nothing.
Posts: 1,824
Threads: 114
Joined: Jul 2014
City: Sneedville, TN
I just looked at the schematic for this particular radio. As with others I have seen, the candohm is used to generate various bias voltages for different parts of the circuit. As such, the additional current drain caused by this will be so small that by using the method I described above, using double the indicated wattage or better for a safety margin, one should run into no real problem. It is the method I have used successfully in the past.
Posts: 348
Threads: 20
Joined: Nov 2016
City: Cromwell
State, Province, Country: CT
If this helps, here are actual power dissipations calculated from my working candohms which I replaced for reliability.
Candohm 165
46 ohm section .22 Watts used 2 watt replacement
230 ohm section .88 Watts used 5 watt replacement
154 ohm section .54 Watts used 2 watt replacement
Candohm 163
970 ohm section .48 Watts used 2 watt replacement
370 ohm section .21 Watts used 2 watt replacement
2370 ohm section 1.78 Watts used 5 watt replacement
3200 ohm section 6.12 Watts used 25 watt chassis mount dale resistor
My candohms were slightly off but not enough to skew my calculations. I simply measured voltage drop and did calculations using known parameters of voltage and measured resistance. Hope this helps future restorations.
Tony
“People may not remember how fast you did a job, but they will remember how well you did it”
Users browsing this thread: 2 Guest(s)
|
|
Recent Posts
|
|
54C Complete Teardown/Rebuild
|
| Hello Roy,
here is this one
sincerely Richardradiorich — 12:45 AM |
|
54C Complete Teardown/Rebuild
|
| Richard,
Had grabbed it already but thank you just the same. I find myself wanting to find some way to block out the...glyphmon — 12:03 AM |
|
54C Complete Teardown/Rebuild
|
| Hello roy,
here is a link to the schematic .
Sincerely Richardradiorich — 11:54 PM |
|
54C Complete Teardown/Rebuild
|
| Richard,
The Silvertone 2014 also is a transformerless set, so I am incorporating a 1:1 600 ohm audio isolation transfo...glyphmon — 11:37 PM |
|
Preliminary work on wife's Silvertone 2014
|
| Did an alignment today which was interesting. IF alignment went great, almost all was already spot-on. Adjusting on th...glyphmon — 11:35 PM |
|
54C Complete Teardown/Rebuild
|
| The main problem with adding a Bluetooth input is that this set lacks a traditional power transformer to isolate it from...radiorich — 11:19 PM |
|
54C Cabinet Refinish
|
|
I started stripping this cabinet before it got super chilly out because I knew I wasn't going to be able to work on ...glyphmon — 11:18 PM |
|
54C Complete Teardown/Rebuild
|
| While I'm waiting to wrap up the final steps on my wife's Silvertone 2014, I started disassembly on the next project. O...glyphmon — 11:07 PM |
|
Preliminary work on wife's Silvertone 2014
|
| Hello roy,
that great news glad it worked out for you !!
Sincerely Richardradiorich — 10:50 PM |
|
Preliminary work on wife's Silvertone 2014
|
| Safety caps arrived today. Soldered one in and had a successful first power-up. No magic smoke escaped and it tunes in...glyphmon — 09:53 PM |
|
Who's Online
|
| There are currently no members online. |
|

|