Welcome Guest! Be sure you know and follow the Phorum Rules before posting. Thank you and Enjoy! (January 12) x

Thread Closed
Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5

-11 vdc at point j ?
#1

1929 Philco model 76 filter caps replaced, resistors checked and replaced.  While trying to repair I discovered that the 3872 push pull input
 transformer was open, I ordered and tried to install a replacement transformer a stancor A-53 OR PT-156 from AES . On my radio , point
J where the old transformer was soldered in has a dc voltage of -11 using the chassis as a meter ground point. Using the original wires from 
the old transformer and the new wires  hooked together.
 
1.red wire  (power) -11 volts 
2.blue wire to 27 1st af plate,   Did not hook up
3.green wire #1 to 45 plate 2nd af
4 green wire #2 to 45 plate 2nd af 
5 black wire  to screen grid of 27 1st af.     this wire is a center tap in new transformer between green wires.
 
the radio now has sound from speaker, not good or loud sound but mush mouth understandable sound.
The question is this minus dc voltage normal?  The voltage comes from the power transformer, hv centertap and goes through lug #2 of the
filter caps on the negative side. when changing the caps I used mylar caps NOT electrolitics.
    I am using the philco service manual for schematics and information.  Variac and amp meter also in use. 
                                                                                                       Don
#2

There is no negatives in this radio with the sole exception of the power transformer's centertap (rect negative).

Is your speaker's field coil ok?

People who do not drink, do not smoke, do not eat red meat will one day feel really stupid lying there and dying from nothing.
#3

Hi and welcome,

>1.red wire  (power) -11 volts 
2.blue wire to 27 1st af plate,   Did not hook up
3.green wire #1 to 45 plate 2nd af
4 green wire #2 to 45 plate 2nd af 
5 black wire  to screen grid of 27 1st af.     this wire is a center tap in new transformer between green wires.
 
Red wire should have abt +150vdc. If not as Mike mentioned check the field coil in the spkr. Simple test is to unplug the spkr w/ set OFF and use an ohm meter to test the resistance across the 4 pins on the spkr plug Any combination of two pins should show less than 2 or 3k. If much higher coil is bad.

Blue wire is the plate lead but it won't work if you don't connect it.

Green wires connect to the control grid (1 ea) of the 45 tubes, not the plates.

Black wire connects to B which is the center tap of the hv winding. 27 tube has no screen grid as it's a triode. The original transformer has a center tap too.

GL

When my pals were reading comic books
I was down in the basement in my dad's
workshop. Perusing his Sam's Photofoacts
Vol 1-50 admiring the old set and trying to
figure out what all those squiggly meant.
Circa 1966
Now I think I've got!

Terry
#4

guys, checked my speaker field coil out and sure enough, not good, one pin was almost 4k ohms. the green wires are in the
correct position and the black should be on the other side of the 500k resistor. as you have guessed my tube theory is 0
so now to find a usable field coil, A.E.S. I guess. but still my - dc must go. thanks again.
Don
#5

Opps I made a boo boo.
Did a little research on the G spkr to find that  the coil is abt 3.2K. So your is probably ok.
Unfortunately the schematic is somewhat difficult to read, lots of wire crossing over each other
but can't tell if they are connected or not.
Is the screen grid voltage on the 24a's ok??

When my pals were reading comic books
I was down in the basement in my dad's
workshop. Perusing his Sam's Photofoacts
Vol 1-50 admiring the old set and trying to
figure out what all those squiggly meant.
Circa 1966
Now I think I've got!

Terry




Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)
[-]
Recent Posts
Zenith H725
David - I think I understand but what units are you discussing (Low of 1.7, high of 3.9)? Budget constraints for Ham ...EdHolland — 01:43 PM
My Philco 37-116 Restore
You're doing great. I wish I could be more involved, but my mind is right now preoccupied with the reason I am here in ...morzh — 12:21 PM
My Philco 37-116 Restore
Hope you guys are still with me. I have moved on to the alignment. I completed the IF alignment which was pretty muc...dconant — 10:47 AM
My Philco 37-116 Restore
Hello MrFixr55, Thank you for taking the time to explain. I measured 50 volts where you say. Today the 370 volts at ...dconant — 12:51 PM
462ron
Oh that sucks. It’s something easily overlooked. Hopefully it’s nothing more than a resistor! Ron462ron — 08:08 AM
Philco 46-480 Electronic Restoration
Just confirmed that you are correct. It’s the function generator. I connected the signal output probe to one of the inpu...jrblasde — 07:52 AM
Philco 46-480 Electronic Restoration
Ouch, you may be right. Yes, it is solid state. It’s the signal output of my oscilloscope. May be time to crack that ...jrblasde — 07:27 AM
462ron
If you didn’t put a DC blocking cap between the signal generator probe and the plate of the 1st IF it’s possible you ble...462ron — 07:07 AM
My Philco 37-116 Restore
Hi DConnant, The reason why C127 is isolated from ground is because sets of this vintage did not have the center tap...MrFixr55 — 01:07 AM
Philco 46-480 Electronic Restoration
The shield is on the 6H6. It was, in fact, a missing jumper to connect the main chassis ground to the RF chassis grou...jrblasde — 10:58 PM

[-]
Who's Online
There are currently 1029 online users. [Complete List]
» 1 Member(s) | 1028 Guest(s)
Avatar

>