Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5

Problems in a little PT2
#1

I have always assumed that the plates of the stator and rotor of a tuning capacitor should never be shorted. Now in looking for problems on a current PT2 project, I find the oscillator section of the tuning capacitor is shorted. After careful inspection and not locating plates in contact, I back checked a couple other sets I have on the bench and find that they all have shorted oscillator sections.
I must ask, what's up?
#2

It is in parallel with the oscillator coil so appears like it is shorted. You would have to disconnect the wires from it to confirm for sure if it is shorted. I have come across shorted tuning caps when folks try cleaning with steel wool, never ever use steel wool around them.

Gregb
#3

Thanks Gregb
In fact when I disconnected from the coil it did not show short and suspected this was the case but I couldn't explain it to myself.
Larry
#4

lets start with 56.6k ohm value for secondary of 2nd IF transformer measured between 7C6 pin 5 (d1) and high side of volume control.
next I replaced the 40/80 ohm line resistor with 10w wire wounds. in the circuit the 40 measures good while the 80 measures 3.7 ohms.
thoughts please
Larry
#5

Wouldn't worry about the IF coil more than likely the 47K resistor has drifted some but is of little consequence. If I had it apart to replace the rubber wire I'd check and replace. But the 4 ohm/80 ohm resistor is an issue. 5w is ok total dissipation is 1.8w, I generally go X3. Dissipation is less for the 40 ohm (abt 1 w), it's job is to stop the lamp from burning out from the ac inrush.

When my pals were reading comic books
I was down in the basement in my dad's
workshop. Perusing his Sam's Photofoacts
Vol 1-50 admiring the old set and trying to
figure out what all those squiggly meant.
Circa 1966
Now I think I've got!

Terry
#6

threads merged 
http://philcoradio.com/phorum/showthread.php?tid=4586
II. Multiple threads on the same subject not allowed.


sam

Some day, and that day may never come, I will call upon you to do a service for me. But until that day, accept this justice as a gift
mafiamen2
#7

lets start with 56.6k ohm value for secondary of 2nd IF transformer measured between 7C6 pin 5 (d1) and high side of volume control.
next I replaced the 40/80 ohm line resistor with 10w wire wounds. in the circuit the 40 measures good while the 80 measures 3.7 ohms.
thoughts please
Larry
#8

Threads merged (again).

Elfiself, please pay attention to Sam's post (#6 above). Thank you.

--
Ron Ramirez
Ferdinand IN
#9

Thanks for the reply Terry. I have replaced all resistors and caps including the 470k you mentioned in your reply. My concern is the secondary of the 2nd IF is indicated on schm. as 21ohms but is reading 56k ohms. Do you mean the IF transformer wiring could account for such a dramatic increase in resistance and if so should I consider rewiring it?
Larry
#10

My thought is that are several parts INSIDE the 2nd IF transformer. Two fixed caps (probably 100mmfd ea) and a 47K resistor. The 47K is in series w/secondary of the transformer. So if you measure from the diode to the top of the volume control that 47K is in series it adds to the total resistance measured. Typically the coil would be abt 20 ohms or so but perhaps the 47K has drifted up in value.

When my pals were reading comic books
I was down in the basement in my dad's
workshop. Perusing his Sam's Photofoacts
Vol 1-50 admiring the old set and trying to
figure out what all those squiggly meant.
Circa 1966
Now I think I've got!

Terry
#11

got it
thanks Terry
So I finally got some sound from the speaker,( found a miss placed 130 ohm resistor on the 50L6) unfortunately its a loud hum not affected by the volume control.
What would be the fun if it just worked?
Larry




Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)
[-]
Recent Posts
American Bosch Model 802 auto radio
Hello again;   I found a model 838 car radio on Nostalgia Air under United American Bosch, http://www.nostalgiaair.org/...Arran — 09:32 PM
New Philco Repair Bench
Morzh is correct. The repair bench on our website is an archived image of chuck’s original site. He no longer provides s...klondike98 — 05:32 PM
Made mistake & did not label connection
Excellent information. It is all starting to come together now and your explanation really helped since I noticed that ...georgetownjohn — 04:39 PM
Made mistake & did not label connection
Hi John, I don't have this radio, but I can supply some info: Based on your pic, pins 7,8 and 1 are used together, go...MrFixr55 — 02:02 PM
New Philco Repair Bench
As far as I know, the Repairbench does not work, and has not been working in a while. Chuck (we had that campaign looki...morzh — 01:33 PM
Radio city products 664 schematic request
Need a schematic or manual for the 664. The 663 may be similar.daveone23 — 12:38 PM
New Philco Repair Bench
Thanks Gary.dconant — 12:16 PM
New Philco Repair Bench
I tried accessing the site through our library and got the same response. It's reported to our tech gurus. GaryGarySP — 11:50 AM
New Philco Repair Bench
I am sure this is the archive, and not the Chuck's site.morzh — 09:50 PM
Made mistake & did not label connection
It's not like we are good friends with that wire and can tell it from other ptetty identical looking wires. Why'n't you...morzh — 09:49 PM

[-]
Who's Online
There are currently 4069 online users. [Complete List]
» 1 Member(s) | 4068 Guest(s)
Avatar

>