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Philco Model 52GC
#1

OK Philco fans, I've been working on getting my 52 GC up and running finally.  Have not touched the clock part yet.  I picked up another 52 chassis on Ebay a while back and got the IF Transformer I needed.  Got the chassis up and running last night, then I followed the instructions for the alignment and now nothing.  Anything special about doing the alignment on these other than they are 175KC ?   Racking my brain and it's starting to hurt LOL.

Thanks

Sam

Philco's 
86 Low Boy     71B      42-321T
90 High Boy    52B      46-1203
95 High Boy    118B     48-214     
112X Console     60B       48-206
118X Console     84B       49-506
41-608P Console   610B   76 High Boy
41-265 Console   37-89B   370LZ
52GC                38-35B
20 Baby Grand   38-10T
70 Baby Grand   41-221CI

#2

You mean, it was singing before alignment and stopped after?

If yes, and by chance you removed a grid cap from some tube to inject IF signal, and maybe forgot to put it back....

I do not see what else you could do.

Or is it something else?

People who do not drink, do not smoke, do not eat red meat will one day feel really stupid lying there and dying from nothing.
#3

Agree with Mike I don't understand what "nothing" means? Please explain.

https://philcoradio.com/library/download...%20114.pdf

When my pals were reading comic books
I was down in the basement in my dad's
workshop. Perusing his Sam's Photofoacts
Vol 1-50 admiring the old set and trying to
figure out what all those squiggly meant.
Circa 1966
Now I think I've got!

Terry
#4

Yes, and sorry, after the alignment no sound. It was singing prior. I'm sure I replaced the grid cap lead after working the IF Transformers. I will go through it again now to see what's up and give an update.

Thanks

Sam

Philco's 
86 Low Boy     71B      42-321T
90 High Boy    52B      46-1203
95 High Boy    118B     48-214     
112X Console     60B       48-206
118X Console     84B       49-506
41-608P Console   610B   76 High Boy
41-265 Console   37-89B   370LZ
52GC                38-35B
20 Baby Grand   38-10T
70 Baby Grand   41-221CI

#5

So slight change.  Went through the Alignment procedure again and now I get low volume sound out of a couple of strong stations.  Frustrating LOL

Philco's 
86 Low Boy     71B      42-321T
90 High Boy    52B      46-1203
95 High Boy    118B     48-214     
112X Console     60B       48-206
118X Console     84B       49-506
41-608P Console   610B   76 High Boy
41-265 Console   37-89B   370LZ
52GC                38-35B
20 Baby Grand   38-10T
70 Baby Grand   41-221CI

#6

Alignment is a fairly benign procedure: if you simply peaked the IF, which radios prior to alignment are usually more or less close to and this is why they sing, then you ensured there is still IF path and the audio is working.
Short of accidentally disconnecting the RF stage, (and in your case with a 24A tiube being both the oscillator, RF and the mixer, so I am not even sure the grid cap needed to come off) I cannot see why it would stop singing.

See if you had to disconnect things prior to feeding the generator's 175kc signal to the grid cap.

People who do not drink, do not smoke, do not eat red meat will one day feel really stupid lying there and dying from nothing.
#7

So, issues appear to be with me or my equipment.  After following the alignment procedures again, I find a slightly auditable signal at the high end of the band.  I went back to the IF Transformers and adjusted them just based on the sound output and started to hear a better output.  I have the high end and midrange sounding ok but very low output at the     low end of the band.  Again, not sure if it's me, something in the radio or my equipment.  Frustrating  Ahhhhh  :-)

Philco's 
86 Low Boy     71B      42-321T
90 High Boy    52B      46-1203
95 High Boy    118B     48-214     
112X Console     60B       48-206
118X Console     84B       49-506
41-608P Console   610B   76 High Boy
41-265 Console   37-89B   370LZ
52GC                38-35B
20 Baby Grand   38-10T
70 Baby Grand   41-221CI

#8

Ok so here's plan B. Ground the connection @ the volume and # 34. This sets your IF amp @ full blast. Set your signal generator @ 175kc 400cy tone. Connect it to the grid cap of the "osc 1st det" 24A tube. Adjust output of generator so you can just ear it. Peak the IF adjustments #15, 17, & I think 7. Keep going back and forth till you get maximum sensitivity @ 175kc. Radio dial setting should no effect on the IF adjustment. As the signal gets stronger keep turning the generator output down. Unground #34.

Once that is done check the oscillator to see if it's running and tracking. Set the dial @ 550 and use a well calibrated receiver listen for the osc @ 175kc + 550KC = 725KC. Should should hear around 725KC @ the low end and @ 1500KC + 175KC= 1675KC. You can wrap a few turns of wire around the 24A tube pickup the signal and couple it to the calibrated receiver.

Next step would be to check the resistance of the windings on the ant coil. Don't do it w/volume control in the circuit, can give a false reading.

GL

When my pals were reading comic books
I was down in the basement in my dad's
workshop. Perusing his Sam's Photofoacts
Vol 1-50 admiring the old set and trying to
figure out what all those squiggly meant.
Circa 1966
Now I think I've got!

Terry
#9

Thanks for the idea above. I will try it next, just not sure If I'll get back to the bench before Friday. I'll let you know what happens.

Sam

Philco's 
86 Low Boy     71B      42-321T
90 High Boy    52B      46-1203
95 High Boy    118B     48-214     
112X Console     60B       48-206
118X Console     84B       49-506
41-608P Console   610B   76 High Boy
41-265 Console   37-89B   370LZ
52GC                38-35B
20 Baby Grand   38-10T
70 Baby Grand   41-221CI





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