[jerm]

where can I get a Grill cloth philco 40-180

[Chuck Schwark]

John Okolowicz, http://www.grillecloth.com

[jerm]

what part number should I get for a philco 40-180 ... to make it as close to original s I can

[BDM]

I would guess it's the same as the 190 model. Look at these pics.
http://cgi.ebay.com/200208389710

[gary rabbitt]

Hi Jerm.

I have a 40-180. and as far as I know, it has it's original "cloth" still installed. You might note that the grille bars are very close together, so not much of the cloth is seen.

I think that Philco may not have used a fancy, patterned cloth for this model. Ron can correct me if this is wrong. But when I removed the speaker board for the refinish, it appeared to be "non molested" and original.


I got the set about 15 yrs ago from the original owner back in California, and the whole set looked like it had never been worked on, but I did refinish it. The owner said he never had it in for servicing or anything.

I seen that the cloth covering the speaker was a kind of gauze or cheesecloth type of material. It was evenly spaced threads, and dyed a reddish brown color.
I tried to take a photo just now, and you can see how much of the cloth is visible. Not much. Stand back from your set. You can see that not much of the speaker board can be seen.

The photo of the set on Ebay had spaces on the sides of the bars so they used a fancier cloth.

I would not worry about something from grillecloth.com unless you want to. but I'd search some local fabric/yardage stores and you should be able to find something like this. Even if it's white you can dye it. Maybe something with a tight pattern , but not a fancy design would work

I don't know the proper name of this type of cloth, as cheesecloth is not really evenly spaced. It's not burlap as this is a lot thinner.

Here are the photos.
   
   
   




Hope this helps, and good luck!
Gary.

[jerm]

yes Gary that is what it looks like
or at least what is left off it .....

[gary rabbitt]

Hi,
So this stuff can probably be found somewhere, make a print of the photos and take it with you to the fabric stores. At least they may know what it's called.

Try to go to as genuine fabric store as Joanns, or Michael's fabric dept. leaves much to be desired.

You might just get a close pattern home dec or upholstery cloth to dye and install. You don't want something really pretty behind there 'cause it will be mostly hidden anyway.

By the way, the cloth I show, could have flaked off much of the fuzziness over the years. I can't remember what the unexposed areas looked like. They might have had more fluff on the threads originally.

Good luck,
Gary.

[Chuck Schwark]

Radio Daze has it, I believe. Pattern 69.

[gary rabbitt]

Hi guys,
Jerm, I think the cloth at Radio Daze is only a suggestion as mentioned in their description.

Curiosity got the best of me today, and I removed the speakerboard. You can see that this is the original cloth mesh. The unfaded parts were protected by the cabinet, so this is the true color.
Of course, the other exposed parts have faded somewhat.

There is no pattern other than what is seen in the photos.

So, it's up to you what you want, but if I had to do mine again, I'd use the mesh stuff as original.
Hope thse new photos help you decide, the others were hard to see between the grillebars.

Take care,
Gary.

[Image: http://antiqueradios.com/gallery/d/77342-1/clotha.JPG]

[Image: http://antiqueradios.com/gallery/d/77344-1/clothb.JPG]

[Image: http://antiqueradios.com/gallery/d/77346-1/clothc.JPG]

[jerm]

Gray Thank you very much for the picture
I would like to restore it back to original as best as I can
so is the grill cover from Radio Daze just like that or should I get it some other place ?

[gary rabbitt]

Hi,
The cloth I seen at Radio Daze was a cloth that had a pattern on it, ad for me it's not the same I wouldn't use it.

In other words that cloth shown was made to be seen. Even though the 40-180 was mentioned in their cloth description, it's not even close. Maybe some of the other models mentioned would show of that cloth.
But truthfully how much of the cloth do you see between the grille bars on the 40-180? My main point is that the cloth they are selling is not correct. At least the small photo does not look the same.

If you want the cloth to look original, a little searching might find you something very close.
As suggested, I'd look for some mesh cloth from your fabric store. An open weave fabric or low thread count muslin.

We found a site that lists some similar open weave fabric. From these names of cloth, you can search more for other sources and suppliers.

http://www.lacis.com/catalog/data/n_spec...brics.html

If you want the easy way out, go ahead and buy something from Radio Daze, but is it were my set, and I wanted to be very close, I'd search more. Hopefully that site will give you some names to look up ar ask your fabric store. Next time I go to the fabric store with my wife, I will see if they have something just like this. I will carry a photo of the speakerboard with me, otherwise they would have no clue as to what I was talking about

Good luck,
Gary..

[BDM]

Some of those look very close at RadioDaze
GRC 61 & 62, possibly GRC12?

[jerm]

Gary again thank you for all the help with this ...
I think I will try to get to some of the fabric stores in town today or Sun.
and see what they have

[Ron Ramirez]

I moved this topic to Philco Cabinet Restoration since it is more appropriate.

Jerm, patterns 61 and 62 are wrong for your set. While Pattern 12 would be OK, I have to agree with Gary that a plain, open weave, light brown mesh cloth is what you really need. As an added bonus, something from the fabric store will generally be much cheaper than custom-manufactured reproduction grille cloth.

Good luck at the fabric stores...hope you find something appropriate.