Welcome Guest! Be sure you know and follow the Phorum Rules before posting. Thank you and Enjoy! (January 12, 2025) x

Thread Closed

16B chassis — questions
#40

I am going to start recapping  my 16b this weekend, but first some (more) questions:

My 16b has the four position tone control (#79) with the external Bakelite cap (#78).

From the first schematic below, it looks like the original tone control (i.e., the 3-way switch without the external Bakelite cap) is connected to the plate of the 1st AF stage.

   

From the second schematic, it looks like the 4-way version of the switch (with the external Bakelite cap) has been moved between the resistor and the cap in the circuit leading from the volume control. 

   

The cap that is grounded in the original volume-control circuit is now replaced by a cap (0.09 uF grounded) in the new, two-cap Bakelite block with the second cap (0.006 uF ungrounded) being connected on one side to the plate of the 1st AF stage and on the other side to the fourth position of the tone control. That cap is grounded only when the switch is in the 4th position.

I know that Electrical Engineers are fiendishly clever, but this does make some sense to an old English major.

The attached pic shows my actual situation. The black wire with broken insulation (green oval) leads to the plate of the 1st AF stage, but instead of going directly to the Bakelite block (red oval), it first goes to the tone control (as in the original version) and only then (via the red wire) to the end tab of Bakelite block. The white wire with black tracer leads back from the block to the fourth position of the tone control and then (through the switch) to ground.

   

This means that the plate of the 1st AF stage is always in the circuit instead of being switched-in only when the tone control is in the fourth position. That’s wrong, right?

And could that be the reason the insulation has deteriorated so much? (What gauge wire should I use? Don’t want any fires.)

I don’t know what the internal circuitry of the Bakelite block is, but it seems the the two caps have to be independent electrically (i.e., no common ground, since the 0.006 uF is grounded only when the switch is in the 4th position).

Sorry for being so long-winded, but can anyone provide one or more clues?


Messages In This Thread
17b chassis — newbie questions - by mwoodruff - 12-20-2018, 09:24 AM
RE: 17b chassis — newbie questions - by morzh - 12-20-2018, 10:37 AM
RE: 16B chassis — questions - by Radioroslyn - 12-27-2018, 03:36 PM
RE: 16B chassis — questions - by mwoodruff - 12-27-2018, 05:15 PM
RE: 16B chassis — questions - by Radioroslyn - 12-27-2018, 06:08 PM
RE: 16B chassis — questions - by mwoodruff - 12-28-2018, 07:59 AM
RE: 16B chassis — questions - by Radioroslyn - 12-28-2018, 12:17 PM
RE: 16B chassis — questions - by mwoodruff - 12-31-2018, 12:39 PM
RE: 16B chassis — questions - by mwoodruff - 12-31-2018, 01:22 PM
RE: 16B chassis — questions - by Radioroslyn - 12-31-2018, 02:31 PM
RE: 16B chassis — questions - by mwoodruff - 01-07-2019, 02:03 PM
RE: 16B chassis — questions - by EdHolland - 01-07-2019, 05:39 PM
RE: 16B chassis — questions - by mwoodruff - 01-08-2019, 08:47 AM
RE: 16B chassis — questions - by mwoodruff - 01-08-2019, 12:35 PM
RE: 16B chassis — questions - by Radioroslyn - 01-08-2019, 01:35 PM
RE: 16B chassis — questions - by mwoodruff - 01-25-2019, 06:43 PM
RE: 16B chassis — questions - by Radioroslyn - 01-25-2019, 08:15 PM
RE: 16B chassis — questions - by mwoodruff - 02-22-2019, 02:17 PM
RE: 16B chassis — questions - by mwoodruff - 02-22-2019, 04:02 PM
RE: 16B chassis — questions - by mikethedruid - 02-22-2019, 05:21 PM
RE: 16B chassis — questions - by mwoodruff - 03-07-2019, 01:28 PM
RE: 16B chassis — questions - by EdHolland - 03-07-2019, 03:58 PM
RE: 16B chassis — questions - by amptramp - 03-08-2019, 09:08 AM
16b power supply questions - by mwoodruff - 12-26-2018, 12:36 PM
RE: 16b power supply questions - by Radioroslyn - 12-26-2018, 01:41 PM
16b filter bank capacitor voltages - by mwoodruff - 12-26-2018, 03:04 PM
RE: 16b restoration questions - by klondike98 - 12-26-2018, 04:51 PM
RE: 16b restoration questions - by morzh - 12-26-2018, 06:10 PM
RE: 16b restoration questions - by amptramp - 12-26-2018, 06:26 PM
RE: 16b restoration questions - by Radioroslyn - 12-26-2018, 08:41 PM
RE: 16b restoration questions - by mwoodruff - 12-27-2018, 11:55 AM



Users browsing this thread: 3 Guest(s)
[-]
Recent Posts
Philco 71 Code 125
Hello,  I am in need of a schematic for this radio. Mine has the three separate circular tube shields and a shadow me...dconant — 08:06 AM
Stromberg Carlson 1500 Squeal
And life just keeps getting more complicated.dconant — 07:57 AM
54C Complete Teardown/Rebuild
Hello Roy, here is this one sincerely Richardradiorich — 12:45 AM
54C Complete Teardown/Rebuild
Richard, Had grabbed it already but thank you just the same.  I find myself wanting to find some way to block out the...glyphmon — 12:03 AM
54C Complete Teardown/Rebuild
Hello roy, here is a link to the schematic . Sincerely Richardradiorich — 11:54 PM
54C Complete Teardown/Rebuild
Richard, The Silvertone 2014 also is a transformerless set, so I am incorporating a 1:1 600 ohm audio isolation transfo...glyphmon — 11:37 PM
Preliminary work on wife's Silvertone 2014
Did an alignment today which was interesting.  IF alignment went great, almost all was already spot-on.  Adjusting on th...glyphmon — 11:35 PM
54C Complete Teardown/Rebuild
The main problem with adding a Bluetooth input is that this set lacks a traditional power transformer to isolate it from...radiorich — 11:19 PM
54C Cabinet Refinish
I started stripping this cabinet before it got super chilly out because I knew I wasn't going to be able to work on ...glyphmon — 11:18 PM
54C Complete Teardown/Rebuild
While I'm waiting to wrap up the final steps on my wife's Silvertone 2014, I started disassembly on the next project.  O...glyphmon — 11:07 PM

[-]
Who's Online
There are currently 2420 online users. [Complete List]
» 3 Member(s) | 2417 Guest(s)
AvatarAvatarAvatar

>