Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5

Model 650 Tone Control Question
#25

Hi Hamilton, 

Regarding voltages and pinouts for the 42 "Driver" and the 2 42 "Push Pull" Output tubes:

Below is a diagram of the connections to the 42 as viewed from the underside of the chassis.  Please note that the heater connections, Pins 1 and 6 are larger in diameter than the other pins.
   


Below is a copy of the Tung Sol Spec Sheet for the 6F6, 42 and 2A5.  Other than pinouts (6F6) and heater voltage, current (2A5), these tubes have the same characteristics.  This lists "maximum" voltages.  For the output stage use Class AB, triode connected, cathode bias.
.pdf 2A5 6F6 42 Tung Sol Spec Sheet.pdf Size: 222.18 KB  Downloads: 65


Below is the section of the Philco 650 schematic showing the output stage only, for clarity.
   

The Philco 650 Schematic shows all 3 "42"s connected as triodes (This was common; RCA did this in several sets using 2A5s).  Of course, Philco had more than 1 variation for several chassis and these may be connected as pentodes.  However, the plate and screen voltages should substantially match between the 2 output tubes.  In addition, the control grid voltages should also substantially match between the 2 tubes.
  • Power radio down and allow plenty of time for the "caps" to discharge.
  • Remove all 3 42s.  Ohm between Pin 2 and 3 of each tube.  It should read a dead short.  In addition, you should see that for each 42, pins 2 and 3 should be jumpered together.  If this is not the case, respond in a post.
  • Ohm between pin 2 (plate) of one 42 Output tube and pin 2 (plate)0of the other 42 Output tube.  The resistance should be about 350 Ohm.  Ohm between Pin 2 of one 42 Output and the center tap of the output transformer.  it should be roughly half the "plate to plate" resistance. Ohm between the center tap of the output transformer and pin 2 of the other 42 Output tube.  it should be close to the previous measurement and the sum should be the same as the reading between each output tube's pin 2.
  • Ohm between pin 4 (grid) of one output tube and pin 4 (grid) of the other output tube.  It should read 280 Ohm.  Read between each tube and the center tap of the interstage transformer as in the previous step.  Each reading should be roughly half of the "grid to grid" reading and the sum of the 2 readings should substantially match the grid to grid reading.
  • Ohm between pin 5 of the 2 output tubes and chassis ground.  There should be a dead short.
  • If all of these readings pan out, the plate and screen voltage readings between the 2 output tubes should match.  Let me know the outcome.

Hope this helps!

"Do Justly, love Mercy and walk humbly with your God"- Micah 6:8
Best Regards, 

MrFixr55


Messages In This Thread
Model 650 Tone Control Question - by Hamilton - 06-27-2023, 10:45 AM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by morzh - 06-27-2023, 12:11 PM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by Hamilton - 06-27-2023, 05:49 PM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by morzh - 06-27-2023, 07:26 PM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by Hamilton - 06-29-2023, 08:03 AM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by RodB - 06-29-2023, 09:09 AM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by Chas - 06-29-2023, 10:26 AM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by morzh - 06-29-2023, 10:57 AM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by Hamilton - 06-29-2023, 11:46 AM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by RodB - 06-30-2023, 08:31 AM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by Hamilton - 06-30-2023, 11:45 AM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by Hamilton - 06-30-2023, 02:07 PM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by MrFixr55 - 06-30-2023, 05:22 PM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by Hamilton - 06-30-2023, 07:57 PM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by Hamilton - 06-30-2023, 08:13 PM
Hamilton - by Hamilton - 07-03-2023, 10:13 AM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by Hamilton - 07-03-2023, 12:10 PM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by MrFixr55 - 07-03-2023, 11:25 PM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by MrFixr55 - 07-04-2023, 12:40 AM
462ron - by 462ron - 07-04-2023, 08:56 AM
Hamilton - by Hamilton - 07-04-2023, 09:54 AM
462ron - by 462ron - 07-04-2023, 10:06 AM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by Hamilton - 07-04-2023, 03:13 PM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by MrFixr55 - 07-04-2023, 04:26 PM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by MrFixr55 - 07-04-2023, 04:38 PM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by Hamilton - 07-06-2023, 08:11 AM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by MrFixr55 - 07-06-2023, 11:40 AM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by Hamilton - 07-07-2023, 07:48 AM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by Hamilton - 07-07-2023, 02:59 PM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by RodB - 07-07-2023, 03:11 PM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by MrFixr55 - 07-07-2023, 09:23 PM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by Hamilton - 07-08-2023, 09:30 AM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by MrFixr55 - 07-08-2023, 12:07 PM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by morzh - 07-08-2023, 05:32 PM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by Hamilton - 07-09-2023, 06:15 AM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by MrFixr55 - 07-09-2023, 07:55 AM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by MrFixr55 - 07-10-2023, 04:39 PM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by MrFixr55 - 07-11-2023, 09:10 PM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by Hamilton - 07-12-2023, 07:50 AM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by Hamilton - 07-12-2023, 12:20 PM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by MrFixr55 - 07-12-2023, 05:58 PM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by Hamilton - 07-12-2023, 06:46 PM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by Hamilton - 07-12-2023, 06:49 PM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by MrFixr55 - 07-13-2023, 04:13 PM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by Arran - 07-13-2023, 04:39 PM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by MrFixr55 - 07-13-2023, 05:13 PM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by MrFixr55 - 07-14-2023, 06:05 AM
RE: Model 650 Tone Control Question - by MrFixr55 - 07-14-2023, 06:25 AM



Users browsing this thread: 3 Guest(s)
[-]
Recent Posts
Philco 60 Squealing
All correct shields must be in place, all tubes correct no subs of any kind. Check any soldered, riveted ground conne...Chas — 01:24 PM
Philco 60 Squealing
I have recapped and replaced out of tolerance resistors and so on. Radio plays nicely on fairly strong stations. The pro...dconant — 10:55 AM
Philco 46-420 Code 121 Reception issues
Welcome Eric, I agree with Bob and far as the two main electrolytic filter capacitors did you change them yourself or w...radiorich — 11:43 PM
Philco 46-420 Code 121 Reception issues
You mentioned the Philco manual and going through the check points...just to be sure we're on the same page here's the m...klondike98 — 08:13 PM
Philco 42-1008 conversion kit
Interesting. I haven't seen that before.klondike98 — 07:02 PM
12' Philco
Yes I had looked for it on the web as well some time back and could not find it. I was glad to see it turned up in Ron'...klondike98 — 06:59 PM
Shadow Meter Bulb
Now if you had a set with a tuning light then the bulb type is important to the circuit, some sets used those prior to t...Arran — 04:58 PM
Shadow Meter Bulb
Ok. Thanks for the correction.RossH — 03:09 PM
Model 28L
For 28 you will probably need to buy a Hammond 125CSE. Or any of the series of the power you need, with SE suffix. Then ...morzh — 02:09 PM
37-60 revision 6
I am restoring a Philco 37-60 and it shows run 6 they removed the ground from G3 of the 6K7G and put the G3 to -2.5v for...bobbyd1200 — 01:01 PM

[-]
Who's Online
There are currently 3923 online users. [Complete List]
» 1 Member(s) | 3922 Guest(s)
Avatar

>