Posts: 124
Threads: 17
Joined: Jan 2018
City: Kingsville Ohio
Hi all
Working on this model 41-280. Changed all caps and resistors out of spec. Cleaned tuning cap real good. Powered it up and got pretty good reception right away but so noisy can hardly make out what they are saying. It's hard to even align it because of the noisy static. Hard to make out the tone from sig. gen. Maybe I got a noisy resistor in the works somewhere. I even tried a suggestion from a post on ARF putting a .1uf cap between the ant. and radio. Helped a little but still really noisy. Any help would be greatly appreciated..
www.nostalgiaair.org/pagesbymodel/415/M0013415.pdf
Thanks
Dick
Posts: 7,286
Threads: 268
Joined: Dec 2009
City: Roslyn Pa
You might try using your .1 cap w/one end connected to the chassis and the other go thru and connect it to the control grid of each tube. In the rf and IF stages it will significantly cut the signal. At audio it will lower the tone quite a bit. This maybe enough to determine what stage is the problem.
Just as a wild guess it could be the output transformer.
Happy troubleshooting!
When my pals were reading comic books
I was down in the basement in my dad's
workshop. Perusing his Sam's Photofoacts
Vol 1-50 admiring the old set and trying to
figure out what all those squiggly meant.
Circa 1966
Now I think I've got!
Terry
Posts: 124
Threads: 17
Joined: Jan 2018
City: Kingsville Ohio
Thanks Terry I'm assuming I should connect the .1uf to the control grids one at a time. Should I hear no static that would be the stage in trouble? I ohmed out the output trans. and it was right on. I suppose underload it could be weak or something. Also my voltages are all within 10v. of what the schematic says except the XXL tubes. The 1st Det. is supposed to be 95v, mine measured 65v. The Osc XXL measured 42 and was supposed to be 40v. I can wiggle all the tubes and don't get any popping so I think the pins are okay.
Posts: 93
Threads: 20
Joined: Aug 2014
City: Greenville, TX
I file all loctal tube pins before I turn the radio on.
Posts: 7,286
Threads: 268
Joined: Dec 2009
City: Roslyn Pa
> Should I hear no static that would be the stage in trouble? Yes but check the stage before and after to be sure. If you have a tracer sometimes you can find the faulty stage but if the noise is coming from the hv (like arcing)sometimes it will show up everywhere w/the tracer. In that case you can disconnect the hv feed stage by stage to find the fault.
Have a look at 26,28, and 30 these could cause low voltage on the XXL's. Here's a better diagram:
http://www.audiophool.com/Philco.html
When my pals were reading comic books
I was down in the basement in my dad's
workshop. Perusing his Sam's Photofoacts
Vol 1-50 admiring the old set and trying to
figure out what all those squiggly meant.
Circa 1966
Now I think I've got!
Terry
(This post was last modified: 12-26-2018, 12:26 AM by
Radioroslyn.)
Posts: 124
Threads: 17
Joined: Jan 2018
City: Kingsville Ohio
Terry I tested like you said and on the 2 7B7s it cut the static out and I could hear the tone from the sig. gen. good. On the 1st Det XXL it cut the static out just like the other two. The OSC XXL didn't cut the static out just dropped in intensity a little bit. Could the Osc XXL be a little faulty? It measured good on my Jackson tube tester. Or am I thinking about this in the wrong way.
Also I did find a mistake on my part on part 30. 47k instead of 4.7k. DUH. But the voltage only increased 12 volts to 77, should be 95v.
Thanks for the tip Radiodale. First time working with loctal tubes so that is good to know. I filed them shiny but still have the noisy static problem.
Dick
Posts: 7,286
Threads: 268
Joined: Dec 2009
City: Roslyn Pa
So what happens if you remove the XXL osc tube? Static gone?
When my pals were reading comic books
I was down in the basement in my dad's
workshop. Perusing his Sam's Photofoacts
Vol 1-50 admiring the old set and trying to
figure out what all those squiggly meant.
Circa 1966
Now I think I've got!
Terry
Posts: 124
Threads: 17
Joined: Jan 2018
City: Kingsville Ohio
No still there just no reception.
Posts: 7,286
Threads: 268
Joined: Dec 2009
City: Roslyn Pa
I understand but is there noisy static??
When my pals were reading comic books
I was down in the basement in my dad's
workshop. Perusing his Sam's Photofoacts
Vol 1-50 admiring the old set and trying to
figure out what all those squiggly meant.
Circa 1966
Now I think I've got!
Terry
Posts: 124
Threads: 17
Joined: Jan 2018
City: Kingsville Ohio
Yes the same noisy static as when the tube is in.
Posts: 124
Threads: 17
Joined: Jan 2018
City: Kingsville Ohio
I'm wondering if maybe one of the three mica caps that are in that area could be leaking. I checked the resistors- they seem good. When I switch band to police it gets a little quieter and then to SW it gets real quiet. Seems like its something in the area of the osc tube.
Posts: 7,286
Threads: 268
Joined: Dec 2009
City: Roslyn Pa
Best guess is 25 the 250mmfd cap. To double check the osc for noise disconnect one end of 26 (33K resistor org,org,org). This will remove the high voltage from the 250mmfd cap and osc.
When my pals were reading comic books
I was down in the basement in my dad's
workshop. Perusing his Sam's Photofoacts
Vol 1-50 admiring the old set and trying to
figure out what all those squiggly meant.
Circa 1966
Now I think I've got!
Terry
(This post was last modified: 12-26-2018, 08:26 PM by
Radioroslyn.)
Posts: 124
Threads: 17
Joined: Jan 2018
City: Kingsville Ohio
Terry
I removed one end of 26 and the noise was still there. Changed out the 250mica part 25 with a 330 pf and still the same. I cleaned the band switch before and I'm thinking if it was that it would pop when you switched bands. I don't know. I'm at a loss. I'll walk away and give it a couple days to fix itself. HAHA
Thanks for all your help
Dick
Posts: 7,286
Threads: 268
Joined: Dec 2009
City: Roslyn Pa
Ok try disconnecting the right side of 28. This will kill the hv to the mixer and osc tubes and sg voltage to the if's.
When my pals were reading comic books
I was down in the basement in my dad's
workshop. Perusing his Sam's Photofoacts
Vol 1-50 admiring the old set and trying to
figure out what all those squiggly meant.
Circa 1966
Now I think I've got!
Terry
Posts: 124
Threads: 17
Joined: Jan 2018
City: Kingsville Ohio
OK I separated 28 on the right side and I got a slight hum out of the speaker with the volume at max. No noisy static. I put a clip cord on 28 and touched back where it was and got the noisy static. Took it back off and connected my sig gen up and got a nice tone. So what is this telling you cause I'm still lost. It seems to me that you cut the radio in half so now you know the problem is either in the IFs or the XXLs. Is that anywhere near right?
![[-]](https://philcoradio.com/phorum/images/bootbb/collapse.png "[-]")
