Philco 76 output transformer #2848
Posts: 64
Threads: 10
Joined: Nov 2015
City: Memphis,Tn
So I have the field coil done(my first), But I also have an open side in my output transformer. Since I have not been able to find a suitable replacement, I am thinking I will attempt to rewind. I am NOT up on transformers. After watching and reading everything I can find, I came up with this conclusion. This transformer has an 80:1 ratio. 80 turns on the primary to every 1 turn of the secondary. Now if I copy that, as best I can, will that work?
Stan
(This post was last modified: 12-10-2020, 09:46 AM by Stan the Man.)
Posts: 7,296
Threads: 268
Joined: Dec 2009
City: Roslyn Pa
You may want to have a look at this: https://philcoradio.com/phorum/showthread.php?tid=17572 around post 12/13 or so. Most of it's abt the input transformer but the mechanics of it is the same. Take it apart, count the turns and layers rewind accordingly.
When my pals were reading comic books
I was down in the basement in my dad's
workshop. Perusing his Sam's Photofoacts
Vol 1-50 admiring the old set and trying to
figure out what all those squiggly meant.
Circa 1966
Now I think I've got!
Terry
Posts: 64
Threads: 10
Joined: Nov 2015
City: Memphis,Tn
Thank you for the link, and the reply. I unwound the primary yesterday. It was not pretty. The transformer was impregnated with a waxy substance, and there were spots of corrosion all over. As soon as I would get it started unwinding, it would break. It became impossible to count turns. And by that time I was so aggravated, I forgot what layer I was on. Now I have a clean-er core, and a nice secondary winding. All I need is the primary.
Stan
Posts: 1,256
Threads: 32
Joined: Jan 2014
City: Wellborn Florida
You know the wire size might take all the pieces of the pri. wire and measure the total length add enough for few extra turns and give it a try. Much easier to remove a turn than add a turn. Gook luck David
Posts: 64
Threads: 10
Joined: Nov 2015
City: Memphis,Tn
David,. I'm gonna say the wire is 38ga. As for measuring the length, I would say thats not possible now. I can still see the imprint of the wire on the core. So I know how wide the layers will be. I can easily count the secondary wire turns. So I should be able to come up with something close. I just wanted to know if I was on the right track.
Stan
Posts: 1,256
Threads: 32
Joined: Jan 2014
City: Wellborn Florida
I have not looked but is there a spec on the resistance of the primary if so then look up the resistance per 100 feet of 38 ga or something like that an guess at the length add a little extra. Stay Safe David
Posts: 16,476
Threads: 573
Joined: Oct 2011
City: Jackson
State, Province, Country: NJ
Stan, get a Core!
People who do not drink, do not smoke, do not eat red meat will one day feel really stupid lying there and dying from nothing.
Posts: 64
Threads: 10
Joined: Nov 2015
City: Memphis,Tn
I don't seem to be able to find a spec for the transformer, other than its 80:1 ratio.
My core is still very much intact, with the secondary still in it. I have ordered wire, and I have a cheap coil winder, so we will see what happens.
Stan
Posts: 2,118
Threads: 112
Joined: Jun 2010
City: Medford OR (OR what?)
"I just might turn into smoke, but I feel fine"
http://www.russoldradios.com/
Posts: 7,296
Threads: 268
Joined: Dec 2009
City: Roslyn Pa
Ed sez: I'm now finishing up the O/P transformer. Primary is done (#35 wire, 20 layers of 140 turns each with center tap). The secondary will be next. That is 18 AWG - incredibly beefy considering the voice coil of the speaker!
This = a primary of 5.2k load for the p/p 42's in a triode reconfiguration (Ed's 16X). Your 45's require a bit of a lower load abt 3.2k so a little less wire/turns. [Image: https://philcoradio.com/phorum/images/sm..._smile.gif]
When my pals were reading comic books
I was down in the basement in my dad's
workshop. Perusing his Sam's Photofoacts
Vol 1-50 admiring the old set and trying to
figure out what all those squiggly meant.
Circa 1966
Now I think I've got!
Terry
(This post was last modified: 12-11-2020, 11:42 AM by Radioroslyn.)
Posts: 4,862
Threads: 54
Joined: Sep 2008
City: Sandwick, BC, CA
I was going to suggest cleaning up the old wire from the wire from the primary, removing the wax, and weighing it. That's an alternative method to measuring the length if you can figure out how much a foot of a given gauge of wire weighs, though it is not easy without something like a chemist's scale.
Regards
Arran
Posts: 64
Threads: 10
Joined: Nov 2015
City: Memphis,Tn
Arran, The thought did occur to me. For reference sake. Whatever is on that wire was all over my hands by the time I was finished. What a sticky mess. If I thought I would be able to clean the wire and get a good weight that might be worth a shot.
Stan
Posts: 2,118
Threads: 112
Joined: Jun 2010
City: Medford OR (OR what?)
A person generally does not have to worry about getting too much wire on the form unless they use much smaller wire. If laid down neatly in layers, there is generally enough space. If bulk wound or wrapped with anything thicker than stock - no way.
"I just might turn into smoke, but I feel fine"
http://www.russoldradios.com/
Posts: 64
Threads: 10
Joined: Nov 2015
City: Memphis,Tn
Posts: 64
Threads: 10
Joined: Nov 2015
City: Memphis,Tn
Users browsing this thread: 2 Guest(s)
|
|
Recent Posts
|
|
Need to purchase some accessories for restoration of my Old Philco Radio
|
| Hi Paulo,
Welcome to the Philco Phorum.
I can see why you want to find good reproduction parts. That is a bea...MrFixr55 — 11:10 PM |
|
HiFi (Chifi) tube amp build - but my own design.
|
| Tim,
I have some bakelite sockets in my work shop that I can dig up. I believe quite a few are NOS. I will take photo...RodB — 10:03 PM |
|
Philco 610B oscillator wiring
|
| > The cathode as noted is wired directly to the ground side of the heater filament for that tube, not to the #17 and ...Radioroslyn — 08:12 PM |
|
HiFi (Chifi) tube amp build - but my own design.
|
| Tim;
I noticed your post a little late, but I would take one of the junk sockets and try to break a chunk out of it wi...Arran — 08:07 PM |
|
Need to purchase some accessories for restoration of my Old Philco Radio
|
| Here is a list of resources found in our online library that you might find useful. Mike's Gobs of Knobs email addres...klondike98 — 01:46 PM |
|
First Radio restoration
|
| Hi Tubeman,
Welcome to the Philco Phorum. Phamily Phriendly Pfun with Phine Pholks Phull of Philco Phacts. (See a p...MrFixr55 — 12:33 PM |
|
First Radio restoration
|
| You could post in the WANTED ADs section here on the Phorum and see if anyone has an RF generator that they want to sell...klondike98 — 11:55 AM |
|
Zenith H725
|
| Good ideas, thank you Arrange and Rich. I have the adhesive aluminum foil already and can try that immediately.
More ...EdHolland — 10:18 AM |
|
Graphics for majestic 1050 dial glass.
|
| Murf;
I found this thread on the ARF, the first photo has a pretty good view of the dial glass.
Regards
ArranArran — 01:12 AM |
|
Zenith H725
|
| hello Ed,
how about that speacial tape used for ducting it's like foil or how about thin piece of
aluminum roof flash...radiorich — 12:19 AM |
|
Who's Online
|
There are currently 1445 online users. [Complete List]
» 1 Member(s) | 1444 Guest(s)
|
|
|
|
 
|
![[-]](https://philcoradio.com/phorum/images/bootbb/collapse.png "[-]")
