Welcome Guest! Be sure you know and follow the Phorum Rules before posting. Thank you and Enjoy! (January 12) x

Thread Closed
Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5

Differences In B- Circuits
#1

Hi all, I’m curious as to why there is a difference between some sets as to how they obtain negative bias voltages, in this case both Philco sets. I picked 2 random sets to illustrate my question. In this first set, you can see the center tap of the power transformer develops a negative voltage going through the bias resistors 60 and 59 to chassis ground with no bypas or filter electrolytic.

        In the second set, center tap goes through bias resistors 33 and 34 to chassis ground but there is also a filtering or bypass capacitor of 10ufd #31. This filtering is absent in the first set! I’ve always wondered why there is that cap in one set and not the other considering the similarities of both circuits!

Ron

Bendix 0626.      RCA T64  Philco 20B
Philco 41-250.    Philco49-500
GE 201.             Philco 39-25
Motorola 61X13. Philco 46-42        Crosley 52TQ
Philco 37-116.    Philco 70
AK 35                Philco 46-350
Philco 620B.       Zenith Transoceanic B-600
Philco 60B.         Majestic 50
Philco 52-944.    AK 84 
#2

I will hazard the following guesses:
1. The cap circled in red needs to be there as a "bypass, due to the Output stage being single ended, while the power supply without the bypass cap has a Push Pull Output stage.
2. The cap may be elsewhere on the schematic.

"Do Justly, love Mercy and walk humbly with your God"- Micah 6:8
"Let us begin to do good"- St. Francis

Best Regards, 

MrFixr55
#3

Ok, so I did some more digging and looked at several more schematics and haven’t found any sets with push-pull outputs having that cap across the bias resistors. On single end output sets, it’s a toss up. Found some with but many without. Just for giggles, the next set I work on without that bypass cap I might just gator one in and see what if any difference it makes!

Ron

Bendix 0626.      RCA T64  Philco 20B
Philco 41-250.    Philco49-500
GE 201.             Philco 39-25
Motorola 61X13. Philco 46-42        Crosley 52TQ
Philco 37-116.    Philco 70
AK 35                Philco 46-350
Philco 620B.       Zenith Transoceanic B-600
Philco 60B.         Majestic 50
Philco 52-944.    AK 84 
#4

I suspect you will not see much difference in those that did not have it initially.

There is a practice in engineering, called "for good measure", or just in case. Put that extra capacitor, extra ferrite bead, extra stitching via, extra square inch of copper on the power pad, extra 10W of the power supply capacity or an extra Amp of a choke saturation current; extra this, extra that. What if....

Cost you some money but gives you peace of mind. Maybe this is one of those things.

People who do not drink, do not smoke, do not eat red meat will one day feel really stupid lying there and dying from nothing.
#5

Thanks guys for satisfying an old man’s curiosity!

Ron

Bendix 0626.      RCA T64  Philco 20B
Philco 41-250.    Philco49-500
GE 201.             Philco 39-25
Motorola 61X13. Philco 46-42        Crosley 52TQ
Philco 37-116.    Philco 70
AK 35                Philco 46-350
Philco 620B.       Zenith Transoceanic B-600
Philco 60B.         Majestic 50
Philco 52-944.    AK 84 




Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)
[-]
Recent Posts
Model 80 Antenna Issue?
Thanks Gary and Rod.  I also found an article in the Philco Repair Bench under Service Hints and Tips, about installi...Hamilton — 12:32 PM
Model 80 Antenna Issue?
Hello Hamilton, here is a little information found in our Philco Radio Library at the bottom of the Home page. Hope it ...GarySP — 11:28 AM
Model 80 Antenna Issue?
I did as you suggested and touching the middle of the volume control did nothing so the coil has to be rewound. Any idea...Hamilton — 10:19 AM
1949 Motorola 5A9M
This would be the second portable in the "other radios" forum where I have a similar one in my collection. I h...Arran — 12:41 AM
Looking for any info: 1977 Ford-Philco Console Hi-Fi Turntable and Radio
Hi PittsburgTost. The record changer looks like a Garrard or BSR (Likely Garrard). The spindles just pull out and pu...MrFixr55 — 11:57 PM
Looking for any info: 1977 Ford-Philco Console Hi-Fi Turntable and Radio
Hello PittsburghToast , Welcome aboard and it looks like gary may have something for you ! now if I dig through my se...radiorich — 11:35 PM
Model 80 Antenna Issue?
You are kind of on the right path. You can touch the grid cap of the Detector/Oscillator 36 tube. I'm expecting a respon...RodB — 08:48 PM
Looking for any info: 1977 Ford-Philco Console Hi-Fi Turntable and Radio
Welcome to the Phorum, PittsburghToast!  I found an old thread that my interest you regarding the quality and worth of P...GarySP — 08:48 PM
Looking for any info: 1977 Ford-Philco Console Hi-Fi Turntable and Radio
Welcome to the Phorum! :wave: We do not have anything on that unit in our digital library. There is a Sam's Photof...klondike98 — 08:47 PM
Model 80 Antenna Issue?
I’ve replaced all the caps and resistors and the radio is working but minimal volume unless I put my hand near the re...Hamilton — 08:24 PM

[-]
Who's Online
There are currently 818 online users. [Complete List]
» 5 Member(s) | 813 Guest(s)
AvatarAvatarAvatarAvatar
Avatar

>