Welcome Guest! Be sure you know and follow the Phorum Rules before posting. Thank you and Enjoy! (January 12) x

Thread Closed
Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5

Philco #91B Shadow Tuning Question
#1

I have seen a few discussions on this talking about rewinding the coil, but my coil is OK, 867 ohms. A little lower than those I saw mentioned in the previous discussions at about 1100-1200 ohms. My Shadow unit is Part #6497.
However, I don't have the resistor #14, 1k ohms in my set! While the Electrolytic Filter caps were changed previously, probably in the early 1950's, nothing else appears to be changed.
Could this be a Factory modification to eliminate the resistor? I didn't want to power-up and damage it, if the 1k resistor is required.
FYI - Both the Oscillator & Detector transformers had open windings that I re-wound. Not uncommon.
I included a copy of Ron's schematic. Item #14 is the resistor in question. The Parts Layout Diagram shows it connected on the Capacitor Block #56. However it is NOT shown anywhere on the Layout in Philco Service Bull. #129B, but does appear on #129.
Any thoughts are appreciated!


Attached Files Image(s)
   

Thanks
John N3MUN
#2

Well, I did some testing, using a resistor decade box. Started with a 1k ohm resistor in series with the Shadow meter (as shown on the schematic) and reduced down to 15 ohms in steps. I got the same voltage across the meter, regardless of the resistor.  It was approx 4.5V to 6.0V.
SO I removed the resistor completely. I do get a good variation in the shadow width while tuning a station. Made some very minor positioning adjustments to the lamp.

Thanks
John N3MUN
#3

Most of the circuits w/sm I've seen have a resistor in parallel w/the coil. This stops the disabling of the set if the sm fails. As I recall it's 2 or 3K. It also helps if there is a short in the plate or screen circuit to divide the current across the coil.

When my pals were reading comic books
I was down in the basement in my dad's
workshop. Perusing his Sam's Photofoacts
Vol 1-50 admiring the old set and trying to
figure out what all those squiggly meant.
Circa 1966
Now I think I've got!

Terry
#4

Thanks Terry!
I didn't look at any of the other Models that have the Shadow Tuning, but of the various versions (at least 3) for the Model 91, some didn't have any resistor, and others had the 1k in series. Your theory makes good sense!

Thanks
John N3MUN




Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)
[-]
Recent Posts
The list of my radio & TV collection!
Magical chords of forgotten melodies, old nostalgic music on an old radio... Saturday night blues on the Mid-Waves on an...RadioSvit — 12:20 PM
Philco 42-345 Restoration/Repair
Thank you MrFixr55 the issue with this radio is that the internal coil antenna is missing and there was a wire in its pl...osanders0311 — 11:34 AM
Philco 610B oscillator wiring
Regarding the oscillator circuit which is comprised of the 6A7's cathode, control grid, and screen grid. These elements ...Radioroslyn — 10:33 AM
Philco 42-345 Restoration/Repair
Hi OSanders, First off, welcome to the Philco Phorum where Phine Phamily-Phriendly Pholks Phull of Philco Phacts and P...MrFixr55 — 08:41 AM
Philco 42-345 Restoration/Repair
Today I've been reading through the site trying to learn more about this radio. I also soldered the lose power cord cabl...osanders0311 — 08:24 PM
Philco 610B oscillator wiring
Thanks David! I do have that same later prodution model 610 schematic. I've also studied the Philco service bulletins fo...Tubester — 08:12 PM
Philco 610B oscillator wiring
Some info from Beitmans says late production. David   David — 06:06 PM
Restoring Philco 96
Oh wow! Just found this thread.  Brings me back to early days on this phorum.  I did a 96 back in 2017.  Thread here: ...rfeenstra — 06:05 PM
Philco 610B oscillator wiring
Thanks for the replies. It's not the really the hum that I am after. Just trying to understand why only the shortwave ba...Tubester — 04:01 PM
Restoring Philco 96
70 and 90 are Superhets, but at least the 2x45 model of 90 uses the Plate detector (and so does 70). Also the Atwaters,...morzh — 03:28 PM

[-]
Who's Online
There are currently 3194 online users. [Complete List]
» 1 Member(s) | 3193 Guest(s)
Avatar

>