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Silvertone Model 101 583 2 schematic
#1

Hi Everyone, 
I have a Silvertone Model 101 583 2 in my shed and would like to get to work on it.But I cannot find a schematic for it and it is quite a complex radio.
 I have combed through Riders from 1939 to 1944 and while I have come close I have not found my particular one .
Without going into the power transformer I am not even sure if it is a 117 volt model or a 240 volt set. I am wondering too if the suffix "2" means an export 240 volt model ,  though the mains plug is a parallel pinned non polarised plug , common on 117 volt sets which we , of course use a 240 - 117 stepdown transformer for. 
If anyone can point me to a source for a schematic for this set I would be grateful. Thanks everyone and all the best.
#2

Hi Antipodal,

Greetings from the nice warm other side of the world. Hope that your winter is bearable. At 70 years and having arthritis, I am not exactly a winter person.

Below is a link to the 101.583.1 set:
https://www.nostalgiaair.org/pdfs/Sears-...1583-1.pdf

If the tube complement is the same as your set, I think you are close. This reminds me of a Crosley 02CA that I rebuilt the chassis on a few years ago (or at least the amp section; the RF, Convertor, IF and detector / 1st AF amp tubes are different). This appears to be a Class B output with cathode follower drivers. This should put out between 5 and 10 watts of power.

Pull the rectifier and power it up on your 117V source, and with all tubes other than the rectifiers in the socket, measure the heater voltage. If the heater voltage is approximately 6.3V give or take, then you can be sure that it is a 115-120V radio. If the cabinet sticker with the model number and tube complement still exists, this should give you some help.

If the plug is the standard US NEMA 1-15P (2 prongs parallel to each other) and there is no voltage selector switch, I would have to think that it is a 115V set. However, I think that Japan uses the same type of plug and a lot of their residential power is 100V

Hope this helps.

"Do Justly, love Mercy and walk humbly with your God"- Micah 6:8
"Let us begin to do good"- St. Francis

Best Regards, 

MrFixr55
#3

Hi Mr Fixr55, Wow .That was fast and a thousand thank yous. I knew that discovering the correct mains voltage was not going to be too hard once I got the chassis out and onto the bench . I have been blessed with a variac by one of our Vintage Radio Society members here in Christchurch.
But I would like to present the set at our next monthly meeting ,as found , still in its cabinet.
I realised the output stage was unusual and hoped to present the schematic to the members to get their feedback on how to approach the task of bringing it back to working order. Thanks again for your help with this. I am grateful. Thank you too for your input on how that output stage works i.e. the cathode follower driving the output tubes. Once working I'm hoping for big sound and clear sound. I'll let you know!
#4

Hi Antipodal,

Yes, the sound will be quite big.  If your set does not have a "Radio - Phono" or "Aux In" jack and switch, consider installing one.  I am a big fan of installing an "aux input" or Radio - Phono Switch for 2 reasons.  First off, it is a good "divide and conquer" troubleshooting technique for no sound, poor sound or distorted sound.  Secondly, one can better enjoy the radio by connecting to MP3, computer, etc. that has "period" music or "Old Time" radio broadcasts such as radio plays, variety shows, playback of historical news broadcasts (WWII correspondents, etc.), when played directly through the audio circuit than using a home AM transmitter.  Forget decent music over AM, at least here in the US.  In fact, many US auto manufacturers are considering dropping AM totally from car radios.

The most unique feature of this set is the Class  B Push Pull circuit using 6AC5 triodes with the drivers direct coupled to the output tubes.  However, returning this set to normal operation will not be much different other sets.  Replace all electrolytic and paper - foil caps and check tubes to start, then take it for a test run.

Don't anticipate total HiFi, especially if playing classical music (IMHO, the hardest thing to reproduce), but big band music should be fine.  Class B gives rather high power but has a higher distortion level than Class A or Class AB1 Push Pull amps.  But during this time, a THD (Total Harmonic Distortion) of less than 5% was considered "distortion free" as opposed to real HiFi amps whose THD was often less than 1% or even 0.05%. 

My friend would hook up his Ibanez "Stratocaster" copy guitar to his Crosley 02AC radio, which employs a very similar audio circuit to yours, and play jazz guitar.  Sounded kind of nice.  Not a Marshall "stack" to be sure but if looking for soft, clean guitar sound, this was pretty good.

A presentation of this set to your radio club will be quite interesting.  Class B output stages became somewhat popular in the early 1930s due to the high power output efficiency and high output with low expense, however, at the expense of distortion.  Some early 1930s sets had an output of as much as 20 watts.  This is before the advent of Beam Power pentodes such as the 6L6, and 6V6, revolutionary tubes for high power with good fidelity, which popularized Class AB1 and AB2 circuits for high power.  Class B was popular in farm radios and car radios where high output was desired but due consideration had to be paid to how much current the set needed or where cost of replacing B Batteries was a major concern.  A "Class B" circuit has rather low plate dissipation with low sound or no sound output as opposed to Class A where the plate dissipation is high even with no signal output.

I have 2 RCA "Farm" sets, a 5 BT and 6BT, powered by 2V "A" Battery and  three 45V B Batteries for a total of 135V.  These sets have an output of 2 Watts, as opposed to many other farm sets of this vintage with single ended triodes or pentodes having an output of 500 milliwatts or less.  The 5BT used the type 19 Dual Triode, specifically designed for Class B operation.

The following excerpts are from the 1940 (RC14) edition of the RCA Receiving Tube Manual.  The first explains the 6AC5 tube, a high mu triode specifically designed for Class B operation and with the driver stage direct coupled to it:
.pdf 6AC5 info fr RCA Rcv Tube Man RC14.pdf Size: 243.94 KB  Downloads: 304


The second is from the "Applications" section of the same manual, which discusses Class A, B, AB and C amplification:
.pdf Amplifiers fr RCA Rcv Tube Man RC14.pdf Size: 2.05 MB  Downloads: 292


There is a lot of good info in this attachment, discussing the different classes of amplification with their attributes and liabilities.  Feel free to share this info and this post with your club.

Hope this helps.

"Do Justly, love Mercy and walk humbly with your God"- Micah 6:8
"Let us begin to do good"- St. Francis

Best Regards, 

MrFixr55




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