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Philco 38-7
#1

In between jobs, I decided to pull a recent freebie I was given, a 38-7 chassis. When changing out the bakelite block, I noticed some of the tar sealer had melted, like it had overheated, possibly from shorting out. This block is directly across the line voltage input. I checked the main transformer. It's supposed to read 120ohms/130ohms to center tap, or 250ohms total. it reads 193/205 or 398 total.

Would you say the main transformer is damaged? I do have another chassis. I may just rebuild that one, and steal parts from this one.

Blessings,
Jeff W.
Jonesboro, Arkansas

http://jeffsradios.weebly.com

God loves you as you are, not as you should be, because none of us are as we should be. - Brennan Manning
#2

The transformer apparently isn't shorted or open and probably still within tolerance.
I suggest replacing the line voltage caps with modern X1Y2 types.
#3

You can pop out the 5Y4 and measure the hv ac from each plate to the chassis. Should be pretty even +/- 5v or so. If that checks ok leave in on for 15min w/o the 5Y4 and check to feel if the transformer gets hot. Make sure your pilot lamp socket isn't shorted.

When my pals were reading comic books
I was down in the basement in my dad's
workshop. Perusing his Sam's Photofoacts
Vol 1-50 admiring the old set and trying to
figure out what all those squiggly meant.
Circa 1966
Now I think I've got!

Terry
#4

(08-09-2018, 06:08 PM)Radioroslyn Wrote:  You can pop out the 5Y4 and measure the hv ac from each plate to the chassis. Should be pretty even +/- 5v or so. If that checks ok leave in on for 15min w/o the 5Y4 and check to feel if the transformer gets hot. Make sure your pilot lamp socket isn't shorted.

Thanks for the reminder Terry. Icon_redface Icon_crazy
I should have thought of that. I attribute my lapse of memory to a headache I woke up with. Icon_evil

Blessings,
Jeff W.
Jonesboro, Arkansas

http://jeffsradios.weebly.com

God loves you as you are, not as you should be, because none of us are as we should be. - Brennan Manning
#5

OK. Paperwork states I should get 315v. I get 331v on both sides. This is with my variac set at 110v. Too high?

Have yet to do the warm transformer test. Will report back soon.  Icon_biggrin

Blessings,
Jeff W.
Jonesboro, Arkansas

http://jeffsradios.weebly.com

God loves you as you are, not as you should be, because none of us are as we should be. - Brennan Manning
#6

Transformer stays nice and cool after 15 mins.
I'm going to go ahead with finishing re-capping and checking the rest of the chassis.

Blessings,
Jeff W.
Jonesboro, Arkansas

http://jeffsradios.weebly.com

God loves you as you are, not as you should be, because none of us are as we should be. - Brennan Manning
#7

OK, so I finished re-capping, replaced out of tolerance resistors, and checked most of the crucial transformers and coils, and did a power-up. No sparks or explosions  Icon_thumbup .

BUT, it is completely deaf. No static, no reception.

I flipped the chassis over, and started taking voltage readings. Here is what came up:

6K7G:
H: 6.5v
P: 251v/240v
S: 90v/100v

6J5G:
No voltages indicated other than the heater voltage, which checked out at 6.5v

6K5G:
P: 187v/170v
H:6.7v

Here's where I suspect there's an issue. If anyone can give me a clue of where to start looking, I'd appreciate the help.  Icon_thumbup

6A8G:
H: 6.6v
OscP: 113v/180v
P: 141v/180v
S: 78v/100v

I thought the audio cut-off switch on the dial might be corroded, so it was cleaned, and SEEMS to be working, but this type of dial/switch mechanism is new to me. If there's anything I need to clean or check, again, I'd appreciate any tips.  Icon_thumbup

Note: I am getting audio. There is a very low hum coming from the speaker, and touching the grid cap of the 6K5G (1st audio) tube does produce a loud buzz.

Here's a couple pages of paperwork for easy reference:

[Image: https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1835/3015...d8e7_z.jpg]

[Image: https://farm1.staticflickr.com/939/44020...4e60_z.jpg]

Blessings,
Jeff W.
Jonesboro, Arkansas

http://jeffsradios.weebly.com

God loves you as you are, not as you should be, because none of us are as we should be. - Brennan Manning
#8

Ok how about pins 3,4, and 8 or the 6F6.
What happen when you apply a 470kc signal the cap of the IF amp and or the mixer?

When my pals were reading comic books
I was down in the basement in my dad's
workshop. Perusing his Sam's Photofoacts
Vol 1-50 admiring the old set and trying to
figure out what all those squiggly meant.
Circa 1966
Now I think I've got!

Terry
#9

6F6G:

H: 6.6v
P: 346v/230v
S:258v/250v

Will attempt Signal Gen test momentarily.

Blessings,
Jeff W.
Jonesboro, Arkansas

http://jeffsradios.weebly.com

God loves you as you are, not as you should be, because none of us are as we should be. - Brennan Manning
#10

No signal heard when injecting signal to grid cap of either the 6A8G or the 6K7G. Icon_e_sad

Blessings,
Jeff W.
Jonesboro, Arkansas

http://jeffsradios.weebly.com

God loves you as you are, not as you should be, because none of us are as we should be. - Brennan Manning
#11

Next step is to inject a 470kc signal thru a blocking cap connected to pin 3 of the 6k7.
If nothing heard inject an audio signal to pin 5 of the  6J5 with the tube removed. If
nothing heard you got something miss wired between the 6J5 and the vol cntrl.

When my pals were reading comic books
I was down in the basement in my dad's
workshop. Perusing his Sam's Photofoacts
Vol 1-50 admiring the old set and trying to
figure out what all those squiggly meant.
Circa 1966
Now I think I've got!

Terry
#12

I think I found the problem. I mis-read the schematic Icon_redface . The 2.3ohm side of the Ant1-Range 1 is dead Icon_e_sad . Fortunately, I have a parts chassis. Organ transplant commencing. Icon_thumbup

Blessings,
Jeff W.
Jonesboro, Arkansas

http://jeffsradios.weebly.com

God loves you as you are, not as you should be, because none of us are as we should be. - Brennan Manning
#13

Unfortunately the ant coil/band sw isn't going to effect the IF stage or the det. You should hear the 470kc signal anyway when it's applied the the mixer or IF amp.

When my pals were reading comic books
I was down in the basement in my dad's
workshop. Perusing his Sam's Photofoacts
Vol 1-50 admiring the old set and trying to
figure out what all those squiggly meant.
Circa 1966
Now I think I've got!

Terry
#14

That's the line capacitors, if it shorts out it won't do anything other then blow a fuse, or if leaky heat up and melt tar, it should not harm the transformer primary and definitely not harm the H.V secondary. On this set it's ahead of the power switch, so as long as the set is plugged in it has power across the caps all the time, actually between each side of the power line and the chassis, so it can go without the set even being on. 
Regards
Arran
#15

(08-13-2018, 06:55 PM)Radioroslyn Wrote:  Next step is to inject a 470kc signal thru a blocking cap connected to pin 3 of the 6k7.
If nothing heard inject an audio signal to pin 5 of the  6J5 with the tube removed. If
nothing heard you got something miss wired between the 6J5 and the vol cntrl.

Went over the radio and schematic with a fine tooth comb. Couldn't find and mis-wirings. Still no signal or audio on your recommended tests. I connected my iPad using a .1uF cap in line with the tip connector, and the ground hooked to the chassis. This radio is deaf as a post.
Would a bad 6K5G prevent any audio from getting through? It does check out, but it is a bit low, though not excessively.
Would part 29, the audio muting switch be a possible problem? I'm assuming having the switch closed would conduct the audio. If there was a problem with it, is there a way to remove it by rewiring or just disconnecting it?

Blessings,
Jeff W.
Jonesboro, Arkansas

http://jeffsradios.weebly.com

God loves you as you are, not as you should be, because none of us are as we should be. - Brennan Manning




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